Genealogy Chat

barbara Does this David belong to another family- I can't find a henry Name: Church, David Age in 1891: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Crew Gender: Male Where Born: Middleton, Suffolk Civil parish: Vessels Town: County: Cornwall

Ronald, ages slightly out but otherwise good match James Bay abt 1801 Barrowford, Lancashire, England Lodger Habergham Eaves Lancashire James Boothman abt 1808 Higham, Lancashire, England Lodger Habergham Eaves Lancashire Agnes Cook abt 1818 Chefles, Lancashire, England Wife Habergham Eaves Lancashire George Cook abt 1853 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Cook abt 1811 Barrowford, Lancashire, England Head Habergham Eaves Lancashire John Cook abt 1850 Pendle Forest, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire Sarah Cook abt 1855 Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England Daughter Habergham Eaves Lancashire Thomas Cook abt 1848 Rough Lee, Lancashire, England Son Habergham Eaves Lancashire head is landlord of....a BEER SHOP

Deb Nearest is John Joseph born Birmingham Alfred Overs abt 1852 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Overs abt 1825 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire John Joseph Overs abt 1848 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Mary Agnes Overs abt 1861 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire William Overs abt 1825 Lapworth, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire are you suggesting Lizzie were in ireland? cant access Ireland

Yep Jess Found LIZZIE'S sister was born in DUBLIN in IRELAND so I thought it might just be a long shot as the family (ROSE - 1897 , FLORENCE - 1894 , ALICE - 1892 , LIZZIE - 1878 , LUCY - 1872 and JANE - 1874) cannot be picked up in the 1881 census (apart from those not born at the time ) unless you see if LUCY OR JANE can be found as opposed to LIZZIE , that might work Parents = JOSEPH 1848 ELIZABETH 1849 Debs

Hello Jess, many thanks for looking for Henry Church. Maybe he emigrated, served in the army, was away at sea fishing, or even died or maybe the name has been mistranscribed. One day maybe, I will find out! David Church is a cousin of my Grandfather, all the Middleton Church's are related, and there were quite a few of them! Once again, thank you. Kind regards Barbara

Hi Jess its me again Is it possible to see if you can find birth and marriage dates plus their families if possible (doesnt matter so much though it would be great) for the following 2 people. William Rudland born between 1865 and 1888 in Newcastle i presume thats where his son was born and died we think. He married Mary Straughan born also between 1865 and 1888 8it is said she had irish connections but im not sure if she was born in Ireland. The only child i know of so far is William Straughan Rudland born 1905 in newcastle upon tyne. He continued to live there as well as he was honoured with a Freedom Of Newcastle (havent quite found out exactly what this is yet). My grandmother remembers he had 3 sisters Sarah Elizabeth and Mary but its not 100%. This is all the info i have on this family so far. Hope you can find something thanks so much you're a great help Claire x

blimey!! William Rudland born between 1865 and 1888 in Newcastle <-- Where does that come from?!! from where are you drawing those boundaries? How do you know he married Mary Straughan?When?Where? jess

Well William Rudland was my grandmothers grandfather and Mary was her grandmother. My grandmothers father also William was born in Newcastle upon Tyne which is why im guessing his father was as well obviously this could be a wrong guess.

Claire you seem in a total tangle! 1.You-> 2.your parents-> 3.Grandparents-> 4 great grandparents->= Possibly a William (is that what you are saying?) 5.GG Grandparents = William Rudland + Mary Straughan(Yes?)

OK Claire, Ad some dates to that last message you left- update it with dates please

Think i have something to work from here - looks probable!! Name: Rudland, Sarah Straughan Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1900 <<----!! Hopefully on 1901 census! District: Newcastle upon Tyne County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 70 (click to see others on page

BUM AND POO!! excuse me please Mary Rutland abt 1877 Scotawood, Northumberland, England Relative Oxhill Durham <-- aged 24 Sarah Rutland abt 1900 Scotawood, Northumberland, England Relative Oxhill Durham Albert A Wade abt 1873 Haghouse, Durham, England Head Oxhill Durham John A Wade abt 1898 Stanley, Durham, England Son Oxhill Durham Mary P Wade abt 1873 Palaw, Durham, England Wife Oxhill Durham Michael Wade abt 1900 Stanley, Durham, England Son Oxhill Durham What B***Dy good is it calling them a 'relative'!!! Wonder where he was.....!!

lol it is a bit silly isnt it how are we supposed to see what kind of relative - strange. This could be the 2 sisters my grandmother mentioned though Sarah and Mary its possible. The surname is spelt slightly different but i have been in contact with someone recently (a long distance cousin) from the other side of the family and the surname changes 3 times

claire. 1891 it all falls apart again for mary Straughan Straughan, Mary abt 1877 Charlton, South Charlton Daughter Old Bewick Northumberland Straughan, Mary abt 1878 Woodhall Daughter Westgate Northumberland Straughan, Mary Alice abt 1876 South Shields Daughter Westoe Durham Straughan, Mary J abt 1876 Ilderton, Northumberland Daughter West Lilburn Northumberland

Hi Jess Thank you for the Napier information. James was in the Royal Artillery so was perhaps at the barracks or away somewhere. The 1881 census on LDS site shows them at the same address thanks for finding that they were next door.I will have to look up Jackson Street maybe it was Army houses Thanks Deborah

Thanks for looking Jess its all a bit confusing with Mary isnt it ill keep looking and see what i come up with and if it matches anything you have found.

Jess you are going to hate me now. Im so sorry, A few weeks ago (dont think it was longer ago than that) you found a load of info for me and i cannot find it anywhere just wondered if it would be possible if you could look it up for me one more time im so sorry If you can it will be great you found the marriage between Thomas Simmons and Ann Medhurst they were both born around the 1820s im pretty sure Thomas was born 1821 and Ann 1824 in Kent Thomas Penshurst and Ann im not sure possibly Kemsing. Is there any chance you can find it again i really am so sorry Jess Thanks

Hi Jess Could you please look up 1901 census..LEEDS, Yorkshire for a James Woodriff................born 1889. The address+ occupants would be VERY useful, if that is possible. Many thanks Ann

claire..GGGrrrrr when abouts did they marry - i'll guess kent , but when (pre 1871 I guess)

ann, cant find a single woodriff or woodruff called James born at all (can't find his birth reg either) all the woodriff's that show on 1901 Charles Woodriff abt 1877 Leeds, Yorkshire, England P;v Harrogate Yorkshire Edwin Woodriff abt 1849 Welsford, Wiltshire, England Boarder Burbage Wiltshire Francis Woodriff abt 1856 Leeds Patient Leeds Yorkshire Mary A Woodriff abt 1883 Darlington, Durham, England Inmate York Yorkshire William Woodriff abt 1881 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Boarder Leeds Yorkshire !