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HELLO ANY ONE FEEL LIKE HELPING A REAL AMATURE OUT? IVE RESEARCHED MY BUMBY FAMILY TREE BACK TO MY G,G,G,G,GRANDAD WHO I BELIEVE IS CALLED THOMAS BUMBY BUT I DONT KNOW HIS D.O.B OR WHERE HE WAS BORN BUT I DO KNOW HE HAD A SON CALLED WAIT FOR IT NOAH BUMBY WHO WAS BORN IN THE 1830'S IN SWINTON LANCASHIRE, NOAH MARRIED ELIZABETH DAGGER D.O.B ABOUT1841 IN 1862. WHAT IM WANTING TO FIND OUT IF POSSIBLE IS WHO THOMAS WAS MARRIED TO IVE HAD A LOOK ON ANCESTRY.CO.UK AND LATTER DAY SAINT BUT I'M NOT GETTING THE CONNECTIONS, MAY BE ITS STARING ME IN THE FACE BECAUSE LOOKING THROUGH SO MANY BUMBY SURNAMES SEEMS TO BOGGLE YOUR BRAIN AFTER AN HOUR OR TWO OR THREE! SO IF ANY ONE IS BORED OR WANTS A CHALLENGE HELP WOULD GREATFULLY BE RECIEVED. THANXS LISA XX

Lisa Don't know if this is coincidence but there is a Noah Bumby on the 1861 census, born Swinton 1829 but married to a Martha. Is this coincidence or do you know if he was married before? Martha Bumby abt 1821 Hooley Hill, Lancashire, England Wife Ashton under Lyne Lancashire Noah Bumby abt 1829 Siomton, Lancashire, England Head Ashton under Lyne Lancashire Best Wishes Andrea

HIYA ANDREA,I'VE SEEN THE OTHER NOAH I DONT THINK HE WAS MARRIED BEFORE BUT YOU NEVER KNOW?I FOUND ANOTHER NOAH WHOM I THINK IS THE SAME ONE IN THE 1881 CENSUS ; NOAH BUMBY 53 PLASTERER FOUNDRY LANE MEX ELIZABETH BUMBY FOUNDRY LANE MEX ELIZABETH BUMBY 8 SCHOLAR FOUNDRY LANE MEX BUT THE ONLY THING IS THE NOAH IVE GOT ON MY FAMILY TREE HAD A SON CALLED ROBERT IN 1957 I KNOW HE COULD HAVE MOVED OUT INBETWEEN CENSUS AND NOAH AND HIS WIFE COULD HAVE HADANOTHER CHILD BUT AFTER THE 1881 CENSUS I CANT FIND ELIZABETH ANYWHERE SO I WONDER IF SHE EMMIGRATED OR DIED OR I DONT KNOW!!!!

Lisa After looking at the IGI I think that the Noah Bumby on the IGI born Preston and the Noah Bumby on the 1861 may be different people. There are only records between 1833 and 1837 for Swinton Unitarian or Presbyterian church on the IGI but in 1835 there was a John Bumby born to a Thomas and Martha so there was a Thomas in Swinton at that time. There are a few Bumby's in the records for Saint Peter, Swinton but no Noah's. There is a Noah in the Wesleyan Methodist records but not until 1835 and his parents were John and Sarah. Can I ask which document you got Thomas' name from? Do you know he was definitley married to Elizabeth and, if sowhat was Thomas' occupation if he was on the marriage cert? Best Wishes Andrea

HI JOAN, YES I SAW THAT THOMAS BUT I COULDNT FIND ANY RECORDS TO SAY THEY HAD A SON CALLED NOAH ANYWHERE LISA X

1871 Elizabeth Bumby abt 1830 Preston, Lancashire, England Wife Brightside Bierlow Yorkshire Noah Bumby abt 1830 Swinton, Yorkshire, England Head Brightside Bierlow Yorkshire Robert Bumby abt 1857 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Brightside Bierlow So theretically , is this is the right one, Robert should show on 1861 too NO!: with other childen and a mother called martha!! John Bumby abt 1836 Worsley, Lancashire, England Head Worsley Lancashire <--Calling himself JOHN!! Martha Bumby abt 1835 Cheshire, England Wife Worsley Lancashire Robert Henry Bumby abt 1857 Worsley, Lancashire, England Son Worsley Lancashire Thomas William Bumby abt 1859 Worsley, Lancashire, England Son Worsley Lancashire Walter Bumby abt 1860 Worsley, Lancashire, England Son Worsley Lancashire -------------------------------------------------- THINK I HAVE LOST THE PLOT! martha and Elizabeth seem intercahngable...and both had a son ROBERT in the same year!

ANDREA, I GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THE LATTER DAY SAINTS NOAH MARRIED ELIZABETH DAGGER AND ITS JUST GOT THOMAS BUMBY AS THE FATHER AND NO RECORDS OF THE MOTHER. LISA

JESS I DONT KNOW WEITHER HE CHANGED HIS NAME OR WHAT EVER BUT YOU SEEM TO GO ROUND IN CIRCLES , IVE LOOKED THROUGH THAT MANY RECORDS BUT ON ONE OF THEM THAT I FOUND IT HAD; ELIZABETH BUMBY HEAD SCHOOL CARETAKER HANNAH ' D IN LAW THOMAS ' G SON HANNAH ' G DAUGHTER ROBERT ' G SON EARNEST ' G SON SO I ASSUME THAT THIS IS NOAH'S WIFE AND GRANDCHILDREN AND FOR WHAT EVER REASON NOAH IS NOT THERE ANY MORE.

Lisa We need to step back a bit and confirm who he actually did marry. If I could get onto 1837 I would have a look but its down at the minute and ancestry don't have it. The entry on the IGI is not from a transcript but from a member submission so is therefore much more likely to contain an error - Perhaps Elizabeth was really called Martha or Elizabeth may have been her middle name. Likewise perhaps Noah was called John Noah or vice versa. We need to confirm them marriage first otherwise we are just guessing - pity because Noah Bumby is not a common name and normally you would expect the census to confirm it for you. I will have a look at 1837 when it comes up. Best Wishes Andrea

Lisa There is a marriage for Noah in Jul 1862, Preston 8c 566 but no corresponding entry for a Dagger. This would therefore indicate that there is a mistake on the IGI and this may or may not be the guy you are looking for or the spouse's name on the IGI is wrong. I have had another look at the census and it would seem strange that there were two Noah's born in Swinton in the same year so I can't help thinking that the guy on the 1861 is in fact your guy. I think curiosity would get the better of me and I would have to get the Noah marriage cert above to check it out. I also checked the deaths between 1861 and 1862 for a Martha and their wasn't one which is also strange. Best Wishes Andrea

a snippet from ancestry, maybe way off the mark Beckett, John 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Bumby, Noah 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Caldwell, Elizabeth 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Fletcher, Jane 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Jones, Ann 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Mc Farlan, John William 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Piccup, Sarah 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Smith, Margaret 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Worrall, William 1850 March Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Name: Bumby, Noah Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1850 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 356 ------------------------------------------------------- In my opion, for what it is worth, you'd be better tracing this lots back again from 1901, giving us your starting place and have someone look thru it with you (tommorow though please!!) Jess

Really must go to bed but am now thinking that BOTH Noah Bumby marriages are for the same guy. Perhaps he married in 1850 for the first time and then again in 1862? That would make sense really and explain why he is with another woman in 1861?? Doesn't explain where he is the rest of the time though. Really am off to bed now. Best Wishes Andrea

My pennyworth: Noah was quite a common name in Lancashire in the 1800s - I have two (possibly three) in my family - son and uncle who were born in the same year! Marjorie

1861 census has two Noah Bumby entries Noah aged 32 born Siomton (image reads Swinton), Lancs, living with wife Martha, aged 40 in Ashton Under Lyme and Noah aged 26, born Worsley Lancs, a lodger in Radcliffe Lancs 1871 Noah aged 41, born Swinton, living with wife Elizabeth, 41, and son Robert 14 living in Brightside Burlow, Yorkshire 1881 again has 2 Noah Bumby entries Noah aged 53 born Swinton, living with wife Elizabeth, 50, and daughter Elizabeth, aged 8, in Mexborough, Yorkshire Noah aged 46 born Pendlebury Lancs, a lodger in Pendlebury. I think we can discount the younger Noah in 1861 and 1881 as he appears to be single in both. Noah born in Swinton seems to have married Martha before 1861 (Freebmd has 2 possible marriages - Mar 1850 Manchester , but all names are transcribed for this and no Martha is listed, and June 1855 Stockport 8a 80 - no brides names trascribed as yet) and then Elizabeth sometime between 1861 and 1871 (probably the 1862 Preston marriage found by Andrea). As Robert does not appear with Noah and Martha in 1861 I would suggest he was actually Elizabeth's illegitimate son. This is born out by the fact that there is an unmarried Elizabeth Daggers, aged 28, living with her son Robert, aged 4, in Preston Lancs on the 1861 census. There is a death for Noah Bumby, aged 58, June quarter 1891 Doncaster which is probably 'our' Noah. If he died right at the start of the quarter he would not be on 1891 census. THe widowed Elzabeth Bumby who is living with her daughter in law Hannah, and grand children, in Mexborough in 1891 has an unmarried sister, Isabella DAGGERS, living with her, which bears out the IGI entry for Elizabeth Daggers marrying Noah Bumby.

Although 1837online kept giving a 'there are no entries that match the search crieteria' response when I searched for Elizabeth Daggers in Sep quarter 1862, Freebmd had the images for that quarter and there are two entries for Elizabeth Daggers: Preston 8e 642 and Preston 8e 566. The second of these matches Noah's entry so the IGI info was correct. (Please note the volume ref for Preston is 8e not 8c) It therefore seems that the LDS member who submitted the marriage info had seen the marriage certificate and probably had the fathers names correct. The Thomas Bumby, aged 71 in 1881 looks a strong contender for Noah's father. A search of the 1861 census, found several Thomas Bumbys in Lancashire but only Thomas, aged 51 (who was a cotton dresser in 1861) and Emma, 55, were old enough to have been Noah's parents . Of course this could be a coincidence and Noah's father could have died pre 1861. The only way to be sure would be to search the Swinton parish records for Noah's baptism.

I might be throwing a spanner in the works but I have just read the thread and am now a little confused. Was Noah born in Swinton, Lancashire. or Swinton in Yorkshire? There's a place called Swinton in South Yorkshire which is near Mexborough (north of Rotherham). Some of the entries mentioned above seem to relate to this Swinton rather than the Lancs. one. Might be worth checking for Noah/Thomas born Yorks as well as Lancs.

In 1861 he was in Lancashire and birthplace given as Lancashire,Swinton In 1862 he married in Lancashire In 1871 he was in Yorkshire and census gives birthplace as Yorkshire Swinton In 1881 he was still in Yorkshire and birthplace is back to Lancashire Swinton. I would guess that the 1871 enumerator hadn't heard of Swinton Lancs and assumed wrongly, when told Swinton, that it was the Yorkshire one, but you're right Helen, the Yorkshire Swinton registers should probably be checked as well