Genealogy Chat

Hi Rachel, Never thought of that either, what a difference a brain makes! Lisa

Well what I'd do would be to get Muriel's first marriage certificate then you'd have something definite on her to work back from and be trying to find the second marriage in the meantime.

Hi Rachel, aah a whole different can of worms, all I know is that Harry was buried in Heywood, when I phoned the cemetery they have no Harry Shaw there. I have no idea where Muriel died, hence trying to track down a place of marriage to be certain which name I am looking for. Lisa

Brain still ticking away here, if you know when they died you could trace them back that way. The death cert will give you their age at death (or even their date of birth if you're lucky). It should even say their occupations and the female's occupations generally say wife of.... if they were married. There's always a way around things, it's just a matter of keeping looking.

Hi Robin, thanks for the info but it is definately Harry and Muriel Lisa

Hi Rachel, thanks again for all your help and best of luck with your search. Lisa

clutching at straws, but a Henry Shaw married a Lottie Ramsell in that quarter, in Holywell district (Flint) (11b 579)

Don't worry Lisa, its funny how often you just start with an easy question and it opens up so many different avenues!! Good luck finding out!! Just think of it as many making your tree even more interesting.... Have fun! Rachel

Hi Rachel, good grief I never thought of that, I was always lead to believe they married, parted and no children were born, it didn't once occur to me.... Lisa

Maybe her 1st husband died in the war? That was common too. Divorce generally cost too much money for people. One of my ancestors lived apart for 20 years, neither remarried but they didn'y get divorced either.

Hi Victor, There is absolutely no doubt where their names are concerned so I think maybe they didn't marry. Just being curious, would you know how likely it is that maybe Muriel didn't divorce? I'm not sure how common/ easy it was in the mid 30's Thanks for looking for me though! Lisa

Lisa Have search 1940/1941/1942/1947 for Harry Shaw/Muriel Hendrie/Muriel Russell and there is nothing coming up at all. They either didn't marry, or the names you have are their nicknames and not their birth names. Victor

Hi mmm, darn good question! although saying that I have tried up to 1968 when the both died and still can't find anything, but am beginning to wonder if I have missed somewhere.... Lisa

Cripes don't apologise, I think our last messages crossed, Hendrie is Scottish. Muriels Grandad was from there, then the family moved to Liverpool, well Toxteth Park, she was one of three girls and had a brother as well. Harry Shaws family are from the same area. I know my grandparents moved around due to work, although they never went back to Scotland. Lisa

Hi Rachel, Thanks again for looking, maybe you are right and they were not married, mmm think I am going to have to try a different avenue. Lisa

Sorry to keep posting but.... did they marry in England or Scotland or elsewhere maybe. The 1837 site only shows marriages in England and Wales and it's just that Hendrie sounds Scottish. Do you by any chance know where they lived in the 1940's? Finding the birth of their first child might help, my grandparents married in Nov 1946 and my dad was born Apr 1947! Shotgun weddings happened a lot back then and so there might not be a great deal of time passing between their marriage and their first child.

Just to let you know the marriages for Harry Shaw in QE Jun 1941 are: Spouse District Vol Page Burry Edmonton 3a 2350 Last Chatham 2a 3584 Whettell Birmingham 6d 802 Parry Hawarden 11b 746 Cobb Sheffield 9c 1155 Harry E m Baldwin Shoreditch 1c 67 and for Harold Shaw Brocklebank Burnley 8c 461 Heywood Barton 8c 1963 Harold F m Till Ipswich 4a 3553 and for Muriel Russell there no listings, sorry!

Sadly there are no living family left but I am determined to continue, thanks again Rachel, good luck with your searching! Lisa

Lisa If you can, I'd ask anyone in the family who might know, your parents or aunts, uncles, etc just to verify the date. The date might have been written wrong accidently. Information given by family isn't always as accurate as they think it is! My mum always believed her gran was born in Scotland so I was trawling the Scottish sites forever when I gave up and then found her born in Manchester. Her mother was from Aberdeen but she'd actually been born in Lancashire! Good luck with it Rachel

Hi Rachel, the marriage date comes from a family bible, it has to be out there somewhere, just wanted to say thanks very much for looking I really appreciate it.