Genealogy Chat

I posted a few days ago about how to find gg grandmother, with help from Nell, who was Hester Hannah Jones. On 1901 census she's a visitor staying with the Woodcraft family. Her husband, William Roberts, a private detective is not with her. Anyway after reading some posts yesterday about using address on census, I put into 1901 census, last known address I have for William Roberts, which was Waterloo Road, and only put surname as Roberts, didn't use a forename. I then clicked on all the possibles, and up popped William Roberts, age 27, originally from Cornwall. He's down as a Metropolitan Police Officer, but he's a boarder with a family also called Woodcraft. Is its coincidence that both Hester Jones and William Roberts are both with Woodcraft Families. I thought I had found my William Roberts, until I looked at his marital status and it has him down as 'single' could that be a mistake??? (god I hope it's wrong lol) Sarah

I did use paragraps when i typed above, but they've disappeared!!!!!!!! Sarah

do you have both the RG references please- wondering if he or she was over the page jess

perhaps the Woodcraft families introduced the couple or were mutual family friends. Kim

Hester Roberts RG 13/404 Lambeth Waterloo Road Folio 69 Page 34 William Roberts RG 13/403 Lambeth waterloo Road Folio 91 Page 8 And I'm ashamed to say I haven't a clue what any of that means Sarah

the ref you have for Hester...doesn't show a Hester.unless she was known as Ettie! Annie Brooks abt 1867 Hastings Visitor Lambeth London Ettie Roberts abt 1874 Shrewsbury Visitor Lambeth London Grace Roberts abt 1898 Visitor Lambeth London Honor Steirie abt 1869 Lambeth, London, England Servant Lambeth London Alice Woodcraft abt 1890 Blackfriars, London, England Daughter Lambeth London Elizabeth Woodcraft abt 1863 Borough, London, England Wife Lambeth London Frederick Woodcraft abt 1897 Lambeth, London, England Son Lambeth London Henry Woodcraft abt 1861 Wheatstone, Middlesex, England Head Lambeth London Henry Woodcraft abt 1891 Blackfriars, London, England Son Lambeth London Lily Woodcraft abt 1899 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Lambeth London Address : Guildford St the one for him.. Henry Weise abt 1872 Ireland Visitor Lambeth London Henry M Wilson abt 1868 Blackpool, Lancashire, England Visitor Lambeth London Francis Woodcraft abt 1837 Beckingham, Lincolnshire, England Wife Lambeth London James Woodcraft abt 1833 Whipsnade, Bedfordshire, England Head Lambeth London James J Woodcraft abt 1876 London, England Son Lambeth London Irvin Ashton abt 1875 Oldham, Lancashire, England Boarder Lambeth London Thomas Brown abt 1877 Matlock, Derbyshire, England Visitor Lambeth London Ivy E L Clarke abt 1887 London, England Servant Lambeth London George E Connabeer abt 1877 Lydford, Devon, England Visitor Lambeth London Digley H Dinnie abt 1876 Scotland Boarder Lambeth London William H Garbett abt 1875 Church Stretton, Shropshire, England Boarder Lambeth London Joseph Martin abt 1877 Middlesex, England Lodger Lambeth London ->William G Roberts abt 1874 Tobraggot, Cornwall, England Boarder Lambeth London John H Thomas abt 1871 Camborne, Cornwall, England Visitor Lambeth London Sarah Thomas abt 1877 Camborne, Cornwall, England Visitor Lambeth London The actual adress is Rutland house Stanford St, the AREA is Waterloo rd --------------------------------------------------------- I guess the 'clincher' is Grace- is she their daughter?

From 1871 census, it appears that the woodcraft family housing the wife is the son of the family housing the husband Albena A Woodcraft abt 1863 Barnet, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Lambeth London Frances M Woodcraft abt 1837 Beckenham, Lincolnshire, England Wife Lambeth London Frances M Woodcraft abt 1860 Finchley, Middlesex, England Daughter Lambeth London **Henry C Woodcraft abt 1861 Whetstone, Middlesex, England Son Lambeth London **James Woodcraft abt 1833 Whipsnade, Bedfordshire, England Head Lambeth London Josiah G Woodcraft abt 1870 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth London Walter M Woodcraft abt 1867 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth London William D Woodcraft abt 1869 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Lambeth London Beth :)

Hiya Yep she was known as Ettie. what I have is their daughter's birth certificate, *big slap on the wrist now' she was born 1897 at 257 Waterloo Road, and the informant William Roberts lived at 234 Trinity Road, Wandsworth Common. Sarah

And yep they had a daughter after Clara called Grace Elsie. I've sent for her birth certificate to make sure all details match that of Clara's What does R G number mean though???

Hi again Sarah - I did try and look for marriage of Hester and William but that Hester if proving very elusive and looking for a marriage of William Roberts was like looking for a needle in a haystack. But at least I've got Cornwall to go on now. Geez, you would think they should have had some sort of law that made everyone stay in their proper home on census night lol Sarah

The RG number is the method of indexing RG 13 are always 1901 RG 12 are always 1891 etc then it is subdivided into piece, folio and page

THANK YOU Jess, Beth and Sarah

So were they married by 1901?

Birth certificate of daughter in 1897 shows Hester as 'hester hannah roberts formerly Jones' so what threw me was William Roberts down as single on 1901. Unless they pretended to be on certificate. That would be just my luck Sarah

Sarah - this may not help much, but FreeBMD has a birth registration for a William Grose Roberts June 1873 at Bodmin, Cornwall. This could be the William G. Roberts on the 1901 census, but whether he is the William who was married to Hester is another matter. I can't help feeling that if it was him, he would have given his full name on Clara's birth certificate, though. It's a shame William Roberts is such a common name! I have plenty of rellies who pretended to be married when registering their children's births and/or lied about their marital status on censuses, but it just seems unlikely that a policeman would have done the same, doesn't it? Oh, and where was Clara in 1901?? Kate.

Thanks Kate Common names run right through my tree - John Morris being the most popular - I've got loads of them!!!! Sarah

It may have been a mistake made by the enumerator or the original transcriber, seeing him on his own as a relatively young man and assuming him to be single Beth :)

Kate - Clara had been shipped off to stay as a 'visitor' with some other people in Lambeth. She was with the Andrews family, more little mite she was only 3 or 4. Seems odd that none of them were at home. all with different people Sarah

Is this Clara in 1901? If so, I'm even more confused as I can't see the connection with the family she is visiting. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Ada Andrews abt 1873 Norwich, Norfolk, England Wife Southwark St George the Martyr London Donald Andrews abt 1873 Oxton, Nottinghamshire, England Head Southwark St George the Martyr London George Kriold abt 1881 Norwich, Norfolk, England Brother-in-law Southwark St George the Martyr London Clara Roberts abt 1898 Lambeth, London, England Visitor Southwark St George the Martyr London Anyway, what I was thinking about the William Grose Roberts I mentioned above is that if only we can find a marriage and / or death for him it might rule him in or out. Kate.

Hi Kate Yep that's my Clara, and those Andrews people, well..... I can't make a connection with them. I've had a look on 1881 and there are quite a few William G Robert's born 1874/3 in Cornwall.