Genealogy Chat

Hi Jess, Just wondered if you'd had any luck with my Coyne family? Regards Sandra

I haven't Sandra - dont think i noticed you there- sorry' will look now **GOING TO HAVE TO ADMIT DEFEAT ON THAT ONE, SORRY Could you please look up John Coyne Coal Miner / Collier, born Claycross Derbyshire 1875. John married Frances Fanny Price in 1899. I can't find John's birth record. Parents Francis & Sarah Coyne living in Walsall Wood Staffordshire in 1891, Francis was also a Coal Miner and was born in Wednesbury in 1843. I can only find the family in 1891. Sarah was born in Walsall Wood in 1850. John's siblings were Frank, Sarah J, William, Joseph, Elisabeth, Louisa, Abraham and Mary. 1891 for REF; Coyne, Francis abt 1843 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Abraham abt 1889 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Elizabeth abt 1884 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Frank abt 1874 Walsall Wood Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, John abt 1875 Claycross, Derbyshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Joseph abt 1882 Claycross, Derbyshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Louisa abt 1886 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Mary abt 1890 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Sarah abt 1850 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Wife Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, Sarah J abt 1877 Claycross, Derbyshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Coyne, William abt 1880 Claycross, Derbyshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire

jess, you kindly did an 1891 census look up for me could you just let me know if all the HEALEY'S you listed were in the same house hold or not . just wanting to try and find out if they were related in any way as you can quess the name catherine has been passed down for years thank s catherine

Catherine, sorry its two households listed on same page, and they all pop up together on 1891 as it is listed alphabetically David-head/Wife Agnes their children = John, Thomas,Maurice,Essie and Agnes next door but one Catherine - head- widow children = John, Thomas,Catherine and Mary

jess , thanks for that . i still think they could be related as john born 1880 to david and agnes was born in that same area . something to investigate i think regard catherine

Catherine, lets have then all back up to the top and see if i can take them back 1) Heally, David abt 1853 Scotland Head Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham Heally, Agnes abt 1860 Scotland Wife Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham 2) Healy, Catherine abt 1841 Ireland Head Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham -------------------------------------------------------------- these children below are still muddled Heally, Agnes abt 1890 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter = D&A Heally, John abt 1880 Jarrow, Durham, Son ?D&A Healy, Thomas abt 1873 Jarrow, Durham, Son D&A Heally, Thomas abt 1883 Croydon, Surrey, Son ?C Heally, David abt 1883 Croydon, Surrey,Son C Heally, Jessie abt 1888 Tooting, Surrey, Daughter C Heally, Maurice abt 1885 Croydon, Surrey, Son D&A Healy, Catherine A abt 1878 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter C Healy, John abt 1871 Jarrow, Durham, Son ? D&A Healy, Mary abt 1886 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter C Healy, Thomas abt 1873 Jarrow, Durham, Son ?

1881 a Husband and father for catherine Catherine Healy abt 1839 Ireland Wife 40 Sheakspeare St, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England Catherine An. Healy abt 1878 England Daughter 40 Sheakspeare St, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England John Healy abt 1835 Ireland Head 40 Sheakspeare St, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England John Healy abt 1868 England Son 40 Sheakspeare St, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England Thomas Healy abt 1872 England Son 40 Sheakspeare St, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England **is the David married to Agnes a son of Catherine and John I wonder?

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Jess, How about my latest theory? The c1823 Loughborough Thomas Cooke surely wasn’t the only child of the his father Thomas....so I have been back into the LDS for some weeks..and done some maths, geography and elimination.. i.e. how many Thomas begat Thomas across 1820+ - 10yrs... my deductions give me a family group. With a village marriage 1815, mum (I‘ll keep her full name for a while), dad Thomas, an oldest son William 1815, daughter Mary 1816 and then Thomas 1820 & possibly one other. The best bit is that all the Leicester Baptisms are recorded as at least two years on from birth dates. Therefore my recent awfully difficult request.. Bob, ps. new pseudonym for me as well. Be in and out of threads tonight but will check every half hour to make sure everyone is behaving.

Thanks very much, Jess. We have come to the conclusion that most of the Taylor family must have left the country in the 1860's. Best wishes, Bernard

Blimey Bob, took a glimpse of Cooke Loughborough IGI and came up with 65, without trying!! have you sorted all that lot?!! By the way, i owe you a slap.. as if you'd ever papo...and as you can guess the second p wasn't POP originally (dont lets go there!)

Evening Jess. Would you help me out with some Wheelers. I have on the 1881 Census, James Wheeler born 1831 in Swallowfield Berks, aged 50. He is with Ann, his wife born 1842 in Heckfield Hants, aged 39. Can you see if they are on previous Census's and whether they have any children. Also, his brother, William Wheeler on the 1881 is aged 45 born 1834 in Swallowfield Berks. He is with his wife, Elizabeth aged 54 born 1827 Little Marlow Bucks and their daughter Elizabeth A aged 16 born 1865 in Reading. Thanks very much Jess. Jan

Jan this is a strange one Ellen Wheeler abt 1849 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Granddaughter East Swallowfield Berkshire Ellen Louise Wheeler abt 1870 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Granddaughter East Swallowfield Berkshire < Think Image reads G Grandaughter Henry Wheeler abt 1796 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Head East Swallowfield Berkshire James Wheeler abt 1831 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Son East Swallowfield Berkshire UNMARRIED!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- ????? 1 Allen, Ann 1875 December Marriages Wokingham Berkshire Wiltshire GOODYER, Ellen 1875 December Marriages Wokingham Berkshire Wiltshire Neville, Daniel 1875 December Marriages Wokingham Berkshire Wiltshire WHEELER, James 1875 December Marriages Wokingham Berkshire Wiltshire 2 HICKMAN, Annie 1878 September Marriages Henley Buckinghamshire Berkshire Oxfordshire Wheeler, James 1878 September Marriages Henley Buckinghamshire Berkshire Oxfordshire

jan - I am going to go back to 1861 with these Wheelers and then try and bridge the gap, because i am not sure which ones are yours! 1861 1 Elizabeth Wheeler abt 1859 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Granddaughter Swallowfield Berkshire Ellen Wheeler abt 1850 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Granddaughter Swallowfield Berkshire Frances Wheeler abt 1833 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Daughter Swallowfield Berkshire George Wheeler abt 1829 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Son Swallowfield Berkshire Haney Wheeler abt 1797 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Head Swallowfield Berkshire James Wheeler abt 1823 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Son Swallowfield Berkshire Jane Wheeler abt 1832 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Daughter Swallowfield Berkshire Sarah Wheeler abt 1795 N Wife Swallowfield Berkshire Sarah Ama Wheeler abt 1855 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Granddaughter Swallowfield Berkshire 2 Charles Wheeler abt 1853 Alton, Hampshire, England Son Warfield Berkshire Charlotte Wheeler abt 1831 Alton, Hampshire, England Wife Warfield Berkshire Emma Wheeler abt 1857 Griney, Hampshire, England Daughter Warfield Berkshire James Wheeler abt 1859 Bracknell, Berkshire, England Son Warfield Berkshire John Wheeler abt 1830 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Head Warfield Berkshire 3 Alice Wheeler abt 1859 Odiham, Hampshire, England Daughter Cookham Berkshire Elijah Wheeler abt 1849 Odiham, Hampshire, England Visitor Cookham Berkshire Esther Wheeler abt 1825 Wokingham, Berkshire, England Wife Cookham Berkshire Henry W Wheeler abt 1854 Odiham, Hampshire, England Son Cookham Berkshire William Wheeler abt 1829 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Head Cookham Berkshire but now to confuse things there are these 2 too Charles Wheeler abt 1847 Odiham, Hampshire, England Son Odiham Hampshire Edward Wheeler abt 1852 Odiham, Hampshire, England Son Odiham Hampshire Eliza Wheeler abt 1801 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Head Odiham Hampshire Kelia Wheeler abt 1806 Sinsom, Berkshire, England Wife Odiham Hampshire & George Ackland abt 1794 Ag Lab, Hampshire, England Brother-in-law Nately Scures Hampshire Forest Benon abt 1848 Nately Scures, Hampshire, England Servant Nately Scures Hampshire Mary Wheeler abt 1798 Nately Scures, Hampshire, England Wife Nately Scures Hampshire Thomas Wheeler abt 1795 Swallowfield, Berkshire, England Head Nately Scures Hampshire ********************************************* can you from that sort out which ones might be yours?

HI JESS, FIRST OF ALL MAY I THANKYOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR ALL THE INFO THAT I HAVE RECIEVED FROM YOU ,I WILL LEAVE YOU IN PEACE FOR TWO WEEKS WHILE I AM ON HOLIDAY.MANY MANY THANKS JESS.ONE LAST REQUEST PLEASE, 1881 CENSUS ON WILLIAM WALKER BORN1832 DUDLEY THIRZA WALKER BORN 1832 DUDLEY JUST LIKE TO KNOW IF THEY CAME TO YORKSHIRE ONCE AGAIN THANKYOU JESS , LOVE MAGGIE

Jess, I just knew you were punchy! I'm glad you have had a look at the LDS for Thomas's. You can know understand why I am now totally deranged and have recently had another delivery of japanese made calculators. Nevertheless the theory stands and I am going to make the giant step organising the appointment and visiting the LDS. I do believe I have something worth asking now. Next message down is the presis. Beer or three, xx Bob

Blimey Jess, so much to go on now. Four families are mine but am not so sure of Nately Scures Hants. I live in Hampshire and have never heard of it. I thought there were strange goings on with Eliza head b 1801 and Kelia wife b 1806 but they are in fact Elijah and Kesiah!! I'll check them all out tomorrow. Thanks again. I appreciate your help. Jan

Maggie, cant find them in 1881, but might be them in 1871 ** looks like they went North C1869 Thirza Walker abt 1859 Netherton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire William Walker abt 1830 Netherton, Worcestershire, England Head Altofts Yorkshire William Walker abt 1865 Netherton, Worcestershire, England Son Altofts Yorkshire Anne Maria Walker abt 1855 Netherton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire Elizabeth Walker abt 1857 Netherton, Worcestershire, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire Emily Walker abt 1870 Altofts, Yorkshire, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire James Walker abt 1866 Staffordshire, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire Mary Ann Walker abt 1868 Staffordshire, England Daughter Altofts Yorkshire Thirza Walker abt 1832 Netherton, Worcestershire, England Wife Altofts Yorkshire * Netherton and Dudley are very close apparently -------------------------------------------------------- 1861 good with the in-laws.. John Miles abt 1802 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Head Dudley Worcestershire Sarah Miles abt 1801 Oxfordshire, England Wife Dudley Worcestershire Thomas Miles abt 1841 Son Dudley Worcestershire Eliza Walker abt 1860 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Granddaughter Dudley Worcestershire Elizabeth Walker abt 1858 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Granddaughter Dudley Worcestershire Mariah Walker abt 1857 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Granddaughter Dudley Worcestershire Thirza Walker abt 1832 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Daughter Dudley Worcestershire William Walker abt 1832 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son-in-law Dudley Worcestershire ------------------------------------------------------- Thirza & williams marriage Miles, Thirsa 1852 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire WALKER, William 1852 September Marriages Dudley Staffordshire Worcestershire ----------------------------------------------- have a good holiday jess

Jess, These are my finds. Some words are my notations. Research area is birthplace given as Loughborough therefore Leicestershire as target county. Using LDS family search facilities- All resources. question given-- Search for Thomas Cooke born to Thomas Cooke, 1820, date range + or - 5yrs. Results--- Ancestral file 2 no county matches. Pedigree resource 1 name match wrong county US 1880 census 18 name matches discount use as this man died 1875 UK 1881 census 185 name matches but as above Canadian 1881 census 3 name matches as above no relevance IGI British Isles 173 name matches all relevant county matches copied, all without a noted county expanded and checked for relevance without success. http://www.(uk-genealogy.org.uk)/cgi-bin/marriagedb.pl 1815 Aug 3 Thomas Cooke of St. Margaret, Leics. batchelor Rebecca Barsby Licence Consent of Parents Peckleton Leicestershire Thos. Barsby. Judith Barsby. You searched for: Thomas Cooke [refine search] Marriage, 1813 - 1817, England Spouse: Rebecca Barsby Exact Spelling: Off Matches: All Sources - 1 International Genealogical Index - British Isles 1. THOMAS COOKE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Marriage: 03 AUG 1815 Peckleton, Leicester, England Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - 1 Marriages: Spouse: REBECCA BARSBY Family Marriage: 03 AUG 1815 Peckleton, Leicester, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. arranged chronologically by the marriage date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M034731 1568 - 1643 0585279 Film 1238676 Film M034731 1654 - 0585279 Film NONE M034731 1654 - 1712 0588452 Film NONE M034731 1714 - 1784 0592595 Film NONE M034731 1773 - 1840 0588452 Film NONE M034731 1846 - 1851 0592595 Film NONE M034731 1865 0592595 Film NONE Sheet: 00 same names and date result on the LDS site but less info. but......on LDS IGI individual record..... THOMAS COOKE Male Event(s): Birth: 05 JUN 1820 Christening: 03 JUN 1822 All Saints Bond Street-Independent, Leicester, Leicester, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: THOMAS COOKE Family Mother: REBECCA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C079081 1801 - 1836 0597071 (RG4 3188) Film 0883998 Film Sheet: 00 and then with random Christian names entered I get ...... the older brother? WILLIAM COOK Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 20 MAY 1816 Christening: 21 DEC 1818 All Saints Bond Street-Independent, Leicester, Leicester, England Death: Burial Parents: Father: THOMAS COOK Family Mother: REBECCA Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C079081 1801 - 1836 0597071 (RG4 3188) Film 0883998 Film Sheet: 00 a sister ? MARY COOK Female Event(s): Birth: 30 NOV 1817 Christening: 21 DEC 1818 All Saints Bond Street-Independent, Leicester, Leicester, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: THOMAS COOK Family Mother: REBECCA Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C079081 1801 - 1836 0597071 (RG4 3188) Film 0883998 Film Sheet: 00 There are more pages of research but....nothing comes close to this. The challenge was always there, the inspiration to beat it came from one place only. Bob

Blimey Bob, wish I had your ability to see it through like that!