Genealogy Chat

Brilliant -- she's exactly who I was looking for and couldn't find. And in the Manchester/Salford area as well. Wouldn't be surprised if Mr Bassindale's dead. Doesn't make her a widow if they weren't married. (I suppose if you're a bigamist there comes a point when you're married and widowed at the same time?) Or is Bassindale her maiden name? Not got far with the grandad either

Blimey Robin......Where's Jess???? Your Caroline Barr who has left her husband between 1861 and 1871 could be this young lady who says she is a widow: 1871: Caroline Bassendale abt 1840 Hackthorne, Lancashire, England Visitor Barton upon Irwell Lancashire Henry Bates abt 1796 Lawton, Lancashire, England Father To Wife Barton upon Irwell Lancashire Elizabeth Cooke abt 1827 Gobburn, Lancashire, England Wife Barton upon Irwell Lancashire Hester Cooke abt 1857 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Barton upon Irwell Lancashire Phoebe H Cooke abt 1861 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Barton upon Irwell Lancashire Thomas Cooke ?? abt 1798 Lawton, Lancashire, England Father To Head Of Family Barton upon Irwell Lancashire Thomas Cooke abt 1826 Warrington, Lancashire, England Head Barton upon Irwell Lancashire She has dropped a few years, but hey, ladies do that sometimes!! I wonder whether Mr (hopefully John?) Bassindale is really dead? Sarah

found another stray in north Liverpool. In 1881 there's Louisa M Bessindale, age 21, born Hackthorn Lincs, as a servant with George Hardey in Kirkdale. So I'm looking at the household posted by Sue (THE Suffolk One) on Sunday, from 1871. Three grand-daughters Louisa, Elizabeth, Ada, with their grandad in Salford, no parents around. We've now got all 3 of these grand-daughters matching on name and age (though not birthplace) with the girls who turn up later in north Liverpool. Got to think that means something. Still lots of questions. I think the 1871 birthplace is supposed to be Epworth not Hepworth, it's in Thorne reg dist two miles from Belton, strong Bassindale territory. Now it gets weird. Louisa M from 1881 is in 1861, age 1, born Hackthorn, but living in Belton. (Her mother's from Hackthorn, so I'm thinking she went back home to her mother's to have the baby, as it was her first, as people sometimes did). But she's not called Bassindale, she's Louisa Maria Barr, parents Robert and Caroline. Robert Barr's in Lincoln in 1871, mistranscribed as Ban, still married, new baby Anne, 5 months old, but wife and Louisa (and presumed other kids born 1861-69?) are not at home. But there's a housekeeper, also married, husband missing, presumably for good, if she's living-in, so looks like Robert's wife has also gone for good. In 1881 the housekeeper has become the householder and Robert is the boarder. She's widowed now, but he's still married (so far as he knows). There's another child, age 6, presumably Robert's. So methinks Anne Barr b 1870 is the housekeeper's baby, not the wife's, and maybe Robert and Caroline only had the one child before they broke up. So where's Caroline in 1871? Perhaps she took up with a Bassindale, had a couple of girls, registered under her maiden name or married name or not at all, dumped them on grandad with their half-sister and is now living with another man under yet another name. Too much happens in 10 years, we need that 1866 census

Jess The post that Jonathan placed yesterday. John Bleasdale. I don't think that is them as I have found them in 1881, 1891 and 1901. In 1901 and 1891 Ann the wife is not there. They were living at the Newsham Hotel, West Derby Rd, West Derby in 1901. Yes he is a Licences Victualler, but not the correct one. Victor

Jess, As Jonathan hasn't replied I would guess either 1881 or 1891 due to Alice being born 1874. Could be wrong tho! Kim

What year is that johnathan please? jess

We are looking for the bride of samuel Mellor before marriage. Ada Bassindale it was after the marriage that the 'child that died' happened. Ie we are hunting the mother of the child that died. this bride: Bassindale, Ada Mary 1893 September Marriages West Derby Lancashire Mellor, Samuel 1893 September Marriages West Derby Lancashire that appears in 1901 fine, married, but not , seemingly . before

Jess, She hasn't called herself Mary has she? due to her dead sister having the same name. Kim

Rats, do-dahs and thingumy bobs. No ada's anywhere.... Jess

Well, just to save any other souls looking, here's the people at 92 Olivia Street in 1891: Henderson, Emma abt 1850 Devizes, Wiltshire, England Wife Bootle Lancashire Henderson, John abt 1846 Southwark, Lancashire, England Head Bootle Lancashire Source information: RG12/2970 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Walton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 97 Page: 58 Sarah

I now have a copy of the marriage cert ADA MARY BASSINDALE m SAMUEL MELLOR 1893, walton L'pool. Her father was JOHN (Deceaced) Lic. Victualler the only additional info i have gleaned is that they both lived at 92 Olivia ST BOOTLE at the time of their marriage. - strange, as they married in Walton. L'pool ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cant find a john B Licenced Vic anywhere in 1881

Jess This has been bugging me, the name sounded familiar so I search my records and low and behold I find ref's to Ada Bessingdale. In the email Joyce says Ada's father (John as we now know) was a Licensed Victualler. I will send the email via PM. Victor

Jess, christines find must be right. i have a list of churches for liverpool; St Mary walton-on-the-hill (283 SMW) including walton hospital registers;Early(bap, marr, bur)1586/87-1812 bap.1813-1982 marr.1754-1980 bur.1813-1976 banns.1948-1967 other.1724-1958 MOE!

Jess, Any addresses on the marriage cert from Joyce?? I thought somewhere in the back of my mind that one time I was searching for Ada's dad, John Bassindale, with a particular occupation??? Or is that a figment of my tired brain??? Back from day out with CB radio - exhausted! Sarah

Jess - did you get that actual cert for the wedding? If not, it appears in the Lancs BMD site: Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1893 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference BASSINDALE Ada M MELLOR Samuel Walton, St. Mary Liverpool 2012WD/16/395 As it's a church, there may be a records office copy of the registers of which you could get a photo copy (for < £1) instead of paying out for a cert - and you'd get to see their handwriting instead of someone else's. Christine

Changing the subject slightly - It's very strange that the 1893 witness, Mary Bunfield, is a name that only appears to occur in Norfolk/Suffolk on any census or GRO reg. Wots goin' on??? Sarah

Jess, trawled through 1837online. no birth from1869 up to 1873 for ada bassindale. i have a lot of bassindales born around THORNE and DONCASTER the nearest ive got is ALICE jan/feb/march THORNE 9c 628 and ANNIE ELIZABETH Gainsbro' 7a 683 if you need them sometime i have george lillian frank fred clara henry and so on but none of them were born in the liverpool area. this seems to be a manchester area name, i will keep my eye open for them for you GOOD LUCK..... MOE! PS i also have a ANN BASSINDALE BARNSLEY 9c 126jan/feb/march 1871

Joyce offered, so i have accepted, she is going to e-mail the marriage cert of Ada Bassindale/samuel mellor and hopefully the birth cert of their first born child. Not that i dont believe what she tells me, but it might help to see the fact 1st hand as it were. jess

Jess This looks like the family of Ellen in 1881. Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John BAXENDELL Head M Male 36 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lo Printer (CP) Matilda BAXENDELL Wife M Female 34 Salford, Lancashire, England Wallace BAXENDELL Son U Male 11 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar Ellen BAXENDELL Daur U Female 9 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar John BAXENDELL Son U Male 7 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar William BAXENDELL Son U Male 5 Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholar Alfred BAXENDELL Son U Male 1 Manchester, Lancashire, England Source Information: Dwelling 36 Rhoda St Census Place Manchester, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341956 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4007 / 41 Page Number 35 No Ellen so it looks like the birth given in 1891 is correct. Victor

Jess, LDS gives quite a few, This is wrong birth County (if a hard fact), but best date for Ada is this one, Household Record 1881 British Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability William BASSINGDALE Head M Male 44 Withernsea, York, England Miller Journeyman (Corn) Elizabeth BASSINGDALE Wife M Female 37 Scrivelsby, Lincoln, England Dressmaker Ada BASSINGDALE Daur Female 12 Wood Enderby, Lincoln, England Scholar Source Information: Dwelling Horncastle Rd Census Place Coningsby, Lincoln, England Family History Library Film 1341775 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3252 / 110 Page Number 15