Genealogy Chat

....yep, and I'm three years older, Lol, Bob

This thread is dated July 2005

Possibly the question has been dealt with

I have had this happen to me. People think they know where they were born and put the name on the censuses covering their married life but when you search for them before their marriage you can't find them because they weren't actually born where they think they were!

Does this apply in your case?

Frances

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU ALL HAVE PUT INTO TRYING TO FIND MY NAN,IT JUST WAS,NT MEANT TO BE.SO NOW IM NOT GOING TO TRY ANY MORE SORRY JESS.YOU DIDNT CRACK THIS ONE BUT IT WAS REALY HARD,ENJOY WHAT IS LEFT OF THE WEEKEND.JOYCE

hi jess were they the right certs that my husband sent ,as wasnt sure if he got them mixed up with the other two he sent to you.regards joyce

hi jess sent copy of certs last night.regards joyce

I've found a FRED Bassindale Ada Nicholson married Fred Bassindale 1867 - c1867 - 1923 children Elizabeth Bassindale 1889 - Arthur Bassindale 1890 - Alfred Bassindale 1892 - Emily Bassindale 1895 -

Caroline seems to have a lot to answer for! That's a good point about Robert Bassindale possibly being Robert Barr?? Occupation Farmer on Elizabeth's marriage cert.....Robert Barr was an Ag Lab!! Not exactly conclusive lol What fun this game is! Sarah

would really have been nice if they'd been full sisters. But I don't think it's ruled out that they're half-sisters. I've got a feeling Robert 'Bassendale' is actually Robert Barr, and she changed it to avoid explaining why the name she was using was different from both parents. Maybe John's surname wasn't Bassendale either, and there's some other reason why Caroline took that name, though I can't think what.

Doh, and I was so hopeful that Ada and Elizabeth were going to be sisters.... Sarah

Thanks for the info -- and sorry it doesn't seem to have solved the mystery. Makes 3 of them now. William Bassendale, Robert Bassendale, John Bassendale. All making one appearance, somewhere in the locality of Caroline Codd/Barr/Bassendale/Barnes/Kitchen, never seen before, never seen again. I thought I should back my own hunches so I got the death cert for Edward Bassendale 1876, hoping Caroline would be the informant. Turned out to be a Mary Ann Faulkner, same address. But there's a tease, just to string us along -- Edward was a gardener, the same as William the mystery Salford grandad.

Joyce, i'm going to run for cover!! Not really will await arrival of certs with baited breath! get ready team!!

forgot to add frederick was awidower.joyce

good afternoon to everyone i now have the certs and they read as follows first is joseph rathbone mellor birth cert. joseph rathbone mellor born 14 may 1894 at 63 bianco street.boot samuel mellor-father ada mary mellor formerly bassindale fathers occ-carter ada mary mellor 63 bianco street.bootle nect is elizabeth marriage cert as follows church of all saints 3 july 1890 frederick bottcher-age 37 occ sailor leal road william bottcher-father occ-farmer elizabeth bassindale-age 27-spinster leal road robert bassindale-father occ-farmer wittness to the marriage john donerqhue william cottrell i will ask my husband to send these to jess ,so you can see them hope this helps .joyce

hi sarah thanks for explaing about the rathbone it may well be as you said,just been looking at the mellors and rathbone is one one cert 1841 and then again 1849,as he married twice but i have all the info on the mellors,we just have to wait now till i get the certs i do so hope it is my nan but if not it won,t be the want for everyone trying.have anice day joyce ps and thank you to robin

Hello Joyce, Re Rathbone and tear to my eye - It was just that Jess had commented that Rathbone was surely going to be a name repeated in the family or maybe someone's surname further back....Then someone wrote to say that Rathbone was a ''Liverpool'' name - I forget the details, but that many families introduced the name into their family to suggest a connection to a particular Rathbone family in the area - a bit like if we all started giving our children the name Beckham, in the hope the glamour would rub off lol - So it may not be a family name at all!! (Sob, sob!) Robin - I was interested to read your last message - I do SO hope that Caroline is Joyce's Ada's mum - she sounds amazing lol Sarah

hi jess yes thank you manage to see 10 of my grandchildren as i have 21 and got to see my great-grandaughter,im getting ready to celabrate my 65 birthday on the 25 july,so if i find my nan it will make my day,what did sarah mean the name rathbone brought atear to her eye have been looking but couldnt see anything,also i have ask for cross check so i dont get the wrong certs thats what the lady in southport told me to do,as you know there ones who send certs out.anyway fingers crossed have anice day.joyce

update... Caroline was still calling herself Barnes when she married John Kitchen. Still not found in 1891. I'm hoping she turns up with a different surname, temporarily, as that would give her 6 different surnames in 6 consecutive censuses, which must be some sort of record Sarah found a John born 1842 in Belton. He can be tracked through the censuses, wife, kids, moves to Whiston near Rotherham, dies there 1919, never seen running a pub. Can't rule him out though. If Caroline as a married woman was going to get pregnant with another man's baby, might as well be a married man. So his wife forgave him, she had her kids to think about. Her husband chucked her out. Getting carried away now Could be Ada's father on the marriage cert was the usual fiction. He was a man called John who ran a pub, and changing his surname to hers saved explanations. But I'd like to know who the real John's father was, and if he's connected to the mysterious William B of Salford or the Barrs' neighbour Edward B who turns up later in north Liverpool. Has anybody got 1851? Louisa turns up in Almondbury Yorks in 1891, and guess what, she's got Mellors living next door. I'm going to assume that's sheer coincidence and there's no connection at all

Well done Joyce, We await info on those certificates , just to hopefully tie off the ends. hope your trip to England was good Jess

good morning to you all just to let you all know that im back from england.and have done what was suggested ,i have ordered both certs.one birth cert for joseph rathbone mellor and the marriage cert for elizabeth bassindale,they are getting sent out on the 15 july so with abit of luck we can put this to rest,and i want to thank you all for all the time and effort you all have put into this for me,as im a only child and none of my family living .it was importance for me to link all my mum and dads familys,thank you all.i will put the copys on so you all can have alook.joyce