Genealogy Chat

Yes, i agree with sarah, and have suggested that Joyce orders the one for Joseph Rathbone Mellor (her son )too, just be cataegoric that Ada doesn't , at that point , admit to being anything other than a Bassendale Besides, i like spending other folks money!! Jess

OOh yes, that's a good idea (Joseph too) Did you see the earlier message about the use of the name Rathbone. Had to get the tissues out at that point lol Awaiting Joyce and her depleting bank balance now then?? Sarah

I have a horrible feeling that Joyce is Visiting England (from Holland ) at the moment so isn't about. Guess it will wait a few days. Have asked her to buy them on her thread anyway so she may see it Jess

been trawling the deaths on FamilyRelatives, supposed to be completely name-indexed 1866-1920, if you can guess all the spellings. Very few Bassindales west of the Pennines. No William, no John. But there's an Edward, died 1876 in West Derby district, age stated as 77. Looks a lot like the Edward who's in Belton in 1861, 58, widower, born Belton, ag lab, living next door but one to the Barrs at the bottom of the previous page. In 1871 Edward has been abducted by aliens and substituted by an alien called William who assumes human form and answers to the same description, give or take. William is not of this earth and appears in no other records.

good morning to you all just to let you all know that im back from england.and have done what was suggested ,i have ordered both certs.one birth cert for joseph rathbone mellor and the marriage cert for elizabeth bassindale,they are getting sent out on the 15 july so with abit of luck we can put this to rest,and i want to thank you all for all the time and effort you all have put into this for me,as im a only child and none of my family living .it was importance for me to link all my mum and dads familys,thank you all.i will put the copys on so you all can have alook.joyce

Well done Joyce, We await info on those certificates , just to hopefully tie off the ends. hope your trip to England was good Jess

update... Caroline was still calling herself Barnes when she married John Kitchen. Still not found in 1891. I'm hoping she turns up with a different surname, temporarily, as that would give her 6 different surnames in 6 consecutive censuses, which must be some sort of record Sarah found a John born 1842 in Belton. He can be tracked through the censuses, wife, kids, moves to Whiston near Rotherham, dies there 1919, never seen running a pub. Can't rule him out though. If Caroline as a married woman was going to get pregnant with another man's baby, might as well be a married man. So his wife forgave him, she had her kids to think about. Her husband chucked her out. Getting carried away now Could be Ada's father on the marriage cert was the usual fiction. He was a man called John who ran a pub, and changing his surname to hers saved explanations. But I'd like to know who the real John's father was, and if he's connected to the mysterious William B of Salford or the Barrs' neighbour Edward B who turns up later in north Liverpool. Has anybody got 1851? Louisa turns up in Almondbury Yorks in 1891, and guess what, she's got Mellors living next door. I'm going to assume that's sheer coincidence and there's no connection at all

hi jess yes thank you manage to see 10 of my grandchildren as i have 21 and got to see my great-grandaughter,im getting ready to celabrate my 65 birthday on the 25 july,so if i find my nan it will make my day,what did sarah mean the name rathbone brought atear to her eye have been looking but couldnt see anything,also i have ask for cross check so i dont get the wrong certs thats what the lady in southport told me to do,as you know there ones who send certs out.anyway fingers crossed have anice day.joyce

Hello Joyce, Re Rathbone and tear to my eye - It was just that Jess had commented that Rathbone was surely going to be a name repeated in the family or maybe someone's surname further back....Then someone wrote to say that Rathbone was a ''Liverpool'' name - I forget the details, but that many families introduced the name into their family to suggest a connection to a particular Rathbone family in the area - a bit like if we all started giving our children the name Beckham, in the hope the glamour would rub off lol - So it may not be a family name at all!! (Sob, sob!) Robin - I was interested to read your last message - I do SO hope that Caroline is Joyce's Ada's mum - she sounds amazing lol Sarah

hi sarah thanks for explaing about the rathbone it may well be as you said,just been looking at the mellors and rathbone is one one cert 1841 and then again 1849,as he married twice but i have all the info on the mellors,we just have to wait now till i get the certs i do so hope it is my nan but if not it won,t be the want for everyone trying.have anice day joyce ps and thank you to robin

good afternoon to everyone i now have the certs and they read as follows first is joseph rathbone mellor birth cert. joseph rathbone mellor born 14 may 1894 at 63 bianco street.boot samuel mellor-father ada mary mellor formerly bassindale fathers occ-carter ada mary mellor 63 bianco street.bootle nect is elizabeth marriage cert as follows church of all saints 3 july 1890 frederick bottcher-age 37 occ sailor leal road william bottcher-father occ-farmer elizabeth bassindale-age 27-spinster leal road robert bassindale-father occ-farmer wittness to the marriage john donerqhue william cottrell i will ask my husband to send these to jess ,so you can see them hope this helps .joyce

forgot to add frederick was awidower.joyce

Joyce, i'm going to run for cover!! Not really will await arrival of certs with baited breath! get ready team!!

Thanks for the info -- and sorry it doesn't seem to have solved the mystery. Makes 3 of them now. William Bassendale, Robert Bassendale, John Bassendale. All making one appearance, somewhere in the locality of Caroline Codd/Barr/Bassendale/Barnes/Kitchen, never seen before, never seen again. I thought I should back my own hunches so I got the death cert for Edward Bassendale 1876, hoping Caroline would be the informant. Turned out to be a Mary Ann Faulkner, same address. But there's a tease, just to string us along -- Edward was a gardener, the same as William the mystery Salford grandad.

Doh, and I was so hopeful that Ada and Elizabeth were going to be sisters.... Sarah

would really have been nice if they'd been full sisters. But I don't think it's ruled out that they're half-sisters. I've got a feeling Robert 'Bassendale' is actually Robert Barr, and she changed it to avoid explaining why the name she was using was different from both parents. Maybe John's surname wasn't Bassendale either, and there's some other reason why Caroline took that name, though I can't think what.

Caroline seems to have a lot to answer for! That's a good point about Robert Bassindale possibly being Robert Barr?? Occupation Farmer on Elizabeth's marriage cert.....Robert Barr was an Ag Lab!! Not exactly conclusive lol What fun this game is! Sarah

I've found a FRED Bassindale Ada Nicholson married Fred Bassindale 1867 - c1867 - 1923 children Elizabeth Bassindale 1889 - Arthur Bassindale 1890 - Alfred Bassindale 1892 - Emily Bassindale 1895 -

hi jess sent copy of certs last night.regards joyce

hi jess were they the right certs that my husband sent ,as wasnt sure if he got them mixed up with the other two he sent to you.regards joyce