Genealogy Chat

Jess, You're great! Looks like Thomas is always the eldest sons name. And my gran has mentioned some of the places that these people were born in, saying there were aunties etc in the London area. I think it is his dad too, as they were both in Bromley at the same time having children, maybe his eldest son lived with them for some time. Considering how vague the information I had was, this is brilliant. Will now be checking the certs of course! Thanks again Heidi

Brennan Not sure what i have found here; Must be their daughter, although i cant find them in 1901 census at the moment Name: Youlden, Barbara Macgear Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1894 District: Kings Norton County: Staffordshire Warwickshire Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 424 will keep trying- can you tell me where either parent were born Please

Brennan now i am totally addled!! where are you sourcing your information? because.... Bertha Badland abt 1899 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Manor Warwickshire Ellen Badland abt 1877 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Manor Warwickshire Francis J Badland abt 1866 Penkridge, Staffordshire, England Head Aston Manor Warwickshire Presume this is the marriage of these: BADLAND, Francis Joseph 1885 June Marriages Aston Warwickshire COLBECK, Ellen 1885 June Marriages Aston Warwickshire KING, John 1885 June Marriages Aston Warwickshire Rathbone, Emma 1885 June Marriages Aston Warwickshire but then there is also..... Badland, Francis Joseph 1902 September Marriages Aston Warwickshire Langdell, Ellen 1902 September Marriages Aston Warwickshire Wheelock, William 1902 September Marriages Aston Warwickshire White, Annie Emmeline 1902 September Marriages Aston Warwickshire With a name as unusual as that surely this must be the same man marring twice?

Vera- have cut and pasted to here - easier to work with Cannot find this family in the 1901 Census would really appreciate it if you could find them details as follows John George truman b.1859-Hackney Wife Mary Knell b. 1858 Ryburgh Walsingham Norfolk Walter b.1885 Hilda b.1888 Mabel b.1892 John Geaorge b. 1895 Margery b. 1897 Chrystal b.1899 all in Hackney? have searched and searched just cannot find them.Thanks Vera Shipp

Vera- from where have you sourced the info that you have?

Did 61 & 71' 1881 William Cousins abt 1821 Messing, Essex, England Lodger Qhashey Corner, Layer Marney, Essex, England John Harrington abt 1825 Messing, Essex, England Head Qhashey Corner, Layer Marney, Essex, England Naomi Harrington abt 1835 Messing, Essex, England Wife Qhashey Corner, Layer Marney, Essex, England 1891: Harrington, James abt 1876 Messing, Essex, England Nephew Messing Essex Harrington, John abt 1827 Messing, Essex, England Head Messing Essex Harrington, Naomi abt 1833 Messing, Essex, England Wife Messing Essex 1901: Edward Challis abt 1880 Messing, Essex, England Boarder Messing Essex Thomas Green abt 1828 N, Inworth Boarder Messing Essex James Harrington abt 1875 Messing, Essex, England Nephew Messing Essex Naomi Harrington abt 1834 Messing, Essex, England Head Messing Essex <WIDOW William Sash abt 1876 N Boarder Messing Essex

Vera 1891 for my reference Truman, John G abt 1860 Clapton, London, England Head Hackney London Truman, Mary abt 1860 Rybhy, Norfolk, England Wife Hackney London Truman, Walter G abt 1885 Hackney, London, England Son Hackney London Truman, Catherine R abt 1890 Bromley, London, England Daughter Hackney London Truman, Hilda M abt 1888 Bromley, London, England Daughter Hackney London ** do you know if they had any children after 1892 - i'm struggling to find them ( assuming they remained in London)

Jess Pleeeeeaaasssseeee I cannot find my Grandad.........I have tried bmd but seem to be doing something wrong, (perhaps I havnt enough info is what i am thinking) a fresh pair of eyes could be all I need .... Details I Have: William Henry Symes born 1894 London, Fulham/Chelsea district more likely but not 100% on that (I dont know full dob) Married 10/1/21 to Frances Bridget Lewsley born1898 Married at Fulham Town Hall Died in 1941 Thats really all I have to go on at the moment. I would really appreciate some help from you if you have time Thanks so much Rosi

Rosi you need that marriage cert to find out his fathers name otherwise there are just too many choices in 1901 census ( or BMD for that matter) Jess

Thank you Jess. Rosi

any one wanting ? up to date and poised to look! jess

Hi Jess Can i say how very sorry i am, you must think i am an ignorent so and so, I made a request in the early hours of the 17th thinking i was going to have more or less a free day but, plans-mice and men spring to mind, once again i can only apologise. My request was for information from the 1901 census regarding the names of Youlden, Badland and Langdell. In your reply you ask where i sourced the names and dates. These are my grandparents and until i sent for copies of my parents birth certs i didn't know them. My fathers details, John Harold Yolden b19/6/1905 father Albert Edward Yolden mother Barbara Yolden formerly Frier signature of informant X the mark of Barbara Yolden, this at least explained the misspelt surname,Lower Tower street Aston. My mother, Ruby Violetta Badland b31/3/1909 father Francis Joseph Badland mother Ellen Badland formerly Langdell Bath Row Aston. Having read of sites on these boards i found a marriage of Youlden/Frier 1892 and Badland/Langdell 1902 but didn't note down where, i found that tip too late. I hope this info is of some help to you. Bren

Dear Jess, Did you have a good day out at the weekend. Did you manage to have alook for my WILLIAM LILLY LENDRUM BARCLAY in the 1861 Census? If you did and I missed the reply then put it down to old timers trouble!!! The information I have for him is as follows: He was born in 1849 in Peterhead Aberdeenshire and his father died the following year. I 'got' him in the 1851 Censu livng with his mother in Peterhead. She remarried in 1854 to Peter Allan. My next information about him is in the 1871 Census when he was living as a lodger in Hebburn in Tyneside. He would be ca 11 years old in 1861 but I've no idea where he is. Derek

Francis and Ellen 's marriage ref: Badland, Francis Joseph 1902 September Marriages Aston Warwickshire Langdell, Ellen 1902 September Marriages Aston Warwickshire Quarter: September Year: 1902 District: Aston County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 720 < its a pain I know, but i think you do need to send for this one - to see his status when he married ( i think he is going to be a widow) so lets hope they were both in Aston area in 1901 - i think this is Francis Joseph badland in 1901 Bertha Badland abt 1899 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Manor Warwickshire Ellen Badland abt 1877 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Manor Warwickshire Francis J Badland abt 1866 Penkridge, Staffordshire, England Head Aston Manor Warwickshire substantiated by : Badland, Ellen 1901 September Deaths Aston Warwickshire ----------------------------------------------------------- Youldon/Yoldon Frier marriage ( which is correct spelling?) Frier, Barbara Macgear 1892 December Marriages Aston Warwickshire Youlden, Albert Edward 1892 December Marriages Aston Warwickshire Quarter: December Year: 1892 District: Aston County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 593 --------------------------------------------------------

Hi Jess Can i first say thankyou for all the info you have given to me as it has been a great help. Can you possibly look up John Gartide b 1885 in Wakefield, Yorkshire. I know he had a sister by the name of Martha Gartside and another brother named Eastwood Gartside. He worked as a Colliery Pony Driver- Below Ground. Can you find his parent and if any other siblings please. Lyn.

Hi Jess Did you get chance to look up John/William Smith, West Bromwich or was it too big an undertaking? Ref my posting on page 1 of this thread. Ann

Sorry dorothy. that is one that i haven't managed to crack

Lyn, 1901 Eastwood Gartside abt 1883 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Stepson East Hartford Northumberland John Gartside abt 1885 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Stepson East Hartford Northumberland Martha Gartside abt 1888 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter East Hartford Northumberland Francis Hartill abt 1860 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Wife East Hartford Northumberland John Hartill abt 1867 Lancashire, England Head East Hartford Northumberland Lizzie Hartill abt 1900 Hartford, Northumberland, England Daughter East Hartford Northumberland Mary A Hartill abt 1893 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Daughter East Hartford Northumberland * francis is presumably mother * THEIR MARRIAGE REF GARTSIDE, Frances 1892 March Marriages Dewsbury West Riding of Yorkshire HARTILL, John 1892 March Marriages Dewsbury West Riding of Yorkshire Quarter: March Year: 1892 District: Dewsbury County: West Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9b Page: 771 ---------------------------------------- 1891 Garsides, Eastwood abt 1884 Southill Nether, Yorkshire, England Son Southill Yorkshire Garsides, Frances abt 1860 Harbury, Yorkshire, England Head Southill Yorkshire WIDOW Garsides, John abt 1885 Southill Nether, Yorkshire, England Son Southill Yorkshire Garsides, Martha abt 1888 Southill Nether, Yorkshire, England Daughter Southill Yorkshire

Hi Jess Thanks for that, do we have anyhting on a Henry Gartside b 1861 in Yorkshire if i am right i think this is the father to John, Martha and Eastwood. Many thanks Lyn.

No, nothing that ties him to the children anyway Henry Gartside abt 1862 Guide Bridge, Lancashire, England Son Early Bank Hall, Stayley, Cheshire, England Henry Gartside abt 1859 Ossett, Yorkshire, England Nephew Kaye Lane, Ossett Cum Gawthorpe, Yorkshire, England Wm. Henry Gartside abt 1862 Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England Son Pocket, Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England