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Other people's 'mos' always seem longer than one's own, don't you think! I did this once and took ages to get my info in. Christine

I hope this makes sense! I am trying to find my g'dads grandparents and am struggling. the info i have so far is 1891 - Yorkshire Christopher Elliott b 1880 son (my g'grandad) Dad - William Elliott b 1853 Gateshead Mum - Ellen Elliott b 1860 Newcastle plus other family too I have their wedding info - March 1879 William Elliott and Ellen Wemyes Nicholson I know that is the right william and ellen because Christophers name is Christopher Wemyes Elliott and my mum recognised the name Wemyes. I can not find them in the 1881 census and i def cant find Ellen anywhere previous to the marriage. Can someone help please?

1881? Ellen Elliot abt 1859 Newcastle Wife 6 Byker Hill, Byker, Northumberland, England William Elliot abt 1854 Durham, England Head 6 Byker Hill, Byker, Northumberland, England Christy Elliott abt 1879 Newcastle Daughter 6 Byker Hill, Byker, Northumberland, England William is a Hammer-something. and in 1891? Elliott, Ann abt 1882 Newcastle Upon Tyne Daughter Byker Northumberland Elliott, Christopher abt 1879 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son Byker Northumberland Elliott, Ellen abt 1860 Newcastle Upon Tyne Wife Byker Northumberland Elliott, Ellen abt 1885 Newcastle Upon Tyne Daughter Byker Northumberland Elliott, William abt 1853 Gateshead, Durham, England Head Byker Northumberland

That would sound right, they must have spelt the name wrong then, i hadnt thought of that thanks. Daughter though? Still no idea about Ellen previously though. the 1891 is definately correct

I'm slightly confused - in 1881 the child is a girl, but in 1891, it's a boy lol

That is very bizarre, hope its not a medical issue!!!

I thought the job looked like angle iron hammerman This is the marriage ref; Name: Nicholson, Ellen Wemyes Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1879 District: Newcastle upon Tyne County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 13 If you get that cert (or find out how to get a photo-copy of the register page), it should give you the two fathers' names & jobs. Christine

Incidentally - that marriage is on the Newcastle BMD site: 1879 ELLIOT William St Michael with St Lawrence, Byker 1879 NICHOLSON Ellen W St Michael with St Lawrence, Byker So if you can find out where there are copies of the Parish Registers of St Michael with St Lawrence Church, Byker, you get the info you need for less than £1 instead of £7, and you'd get to see a copy of your ancestor's handwriting. Christine

Christine that sounds like a great idea, how do i get that and also which BMD website did you use?

There's this Ellen from 1861: Ellen Nicholson abt 1833 Percy Main, Northumberland, England Wife Tynemouth Northumberland Ellen Nicholson abt 1859 No Shields, Northumberland, England Daughter Tynemouth Northumberland Robert Nicholson abt 1829 No Shields, Northumberland, England Head Tynemouth Northumberland Robert Nicholson abt 1860 No Shields, Northumberland, England Son Tynemouth Northumberland She's the nearest in age and place to what you need (North Shields, 6 miles from Newcastle)!! Maybe if you get the marriage cert or PR entry the father will turn out to be Robert, a blacksmith? Sarah

I wonder where the Wemyes came from then? I should hopefully have the marriage cert today or tomorrow so that will be good

This is the local site for Newcastle: http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/registrars.nsf/a/homepage?opendocument This is the NE England site: http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ which has links to the various regions. Not all have searchable stuff online (e.g. Gateshead). I used A2A to work out where the records might be - or who might know where they are (original or copy - e.g. microfiche) Northumberland Record Office Archon Code : 155 Contact Details Melton Park North Gosforth Newcastle Upon Tyne NE3 5QX England Tel: 0191 236 2680 Fax: 0191 217 0905 Website: http://www.swinhope.myby.*co.uk/NRO/index.htmlExternal link - opens in a new window Online map: streetmapExternal link - opens in a new window Senior Archivist : Mrs Sue Wood Access information * Open : Wed 9.30-8; Thurs, Fri 9.30-5 (closed 1-2) * Wheelchair access * Research service You need to remove the * from the web address. Christine

It's tempting to think there might be a connection with Wemyss Bay area, on the coast, west of Glasgow. Any Scots in the family? Christine

Thanks Christine for all of that. I have no idea about Scottish relatives at all. Before i started the tree we had no idea about even my mums grandparents so this is all very new and exciting. Im happy to accept any areas at the moment because they could all be plausible

Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Robert NICHOLSON Head M Male 51 North Shields, Northumberland, England Blacksmith Eleanor NICHOLSON Wife M Female 48 Percy Main, Northumberland, England Robert NICHOLSON Son U Male 21 North Shields, Northumberland, England Plumber Sarah Jane NICHOLSON Daughter Female 14 Chirton, Northumberland, England Scholar Lizzie NICHOLSON Daughter Female 12 Chirton, Northumberland, England Scholar Maggie NICHOLSON Daughter Female 8 Chirton, Northumberland, England Scholar Septimus NICHOLSON Daughter Female 5 Chirton, Northumberland, England Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling D'Arcy Street Census Place Harton, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342209 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5019 / 55 Page Number 10 This is the same family in 1881 wife listed as Eleanor but may be mistranscribed Deborah

Thanks for looking Deborah. Unfortunatley if Ellen was listed under her maiden name she would be the daughter not the wife, as her married name was Elliott thanks for looking though, it all comes in helpful one way or another

Sorry meant this was Ellens parents ,these are the same family from 1861 census ,wife born in Percy Main. They would be your Grandads great grandparents. This is a possible marriage for them Marriages Dec 1856 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- English Ellenor Tynemouth 10b 283 Nicholson Robert Tynemouth 10b 283 Would explain why she was Ellen in one census and Eleanor in the 1881 Deborah

ah i get it!! that would be great (especially with a sister called Septimus, how easy would that be to find!)

Yeah you need someone to look at the actual page of the census or look for them on 1891 census ,probably say son then Deborah