Genealogy Chat

Moe, I have to agree with you about the Parish of 'Walton on the Hill'. They would have to have traveled a fair bit to get out there. Deb

Deb, i'm a bit confused about the church, as St Michaels was in Upper Pitt st toxteth(by chinatown) and walton on the hill is off towards Walton hospital way so its not the parish church, they would have to pass at least 50 churches to get to that one so they could of been residing at another address if they were married all the way down there the Upper Pitt St one is nearer to them but not in their parish, MOE!

2698 is on that list I'm afraid Thanks Richard for bumping that thread. I still haven't had a reply from ancestry , now why doesn't that surprise me! K

Thanks Richard

Deb Parts of the 1861 are known to be missing. Sarah Montgomery has compiled a list of the missing bits - I've nudged her thread for you. Cheers, Richard

Hi Moe, Thanks for all the tips and advice. Sorry to say the families that you listed are not mine. I will have a go at the Lancashire directories. I lived in Liverpool until my teens, so have a vague idea of the area in question. Richard and Mary Ann gave their address as Hill Street at their marriage. The church that they married in was St Michaels, Toxteth, in the Parish of Walton on the Hill. That was in 1857. I am wondering if Ancestry has transcribed all of the 1861, as I am missing several other relatives on this particular census. Well back to the drawing board, Thank you again for the suggestions. Deb

Deb, could this be them; Miller Richard 35 labourer born Buckley cheshire Miller mary 40 marbury cheshire miller Mary ann unmarried daughter 19 servant Marbury cheshire miller Elizabeth daughter 16 servant stafford Hanley Miller emma daughter 17 (i think this should be 7yrs as it was going down in age)scholar stafford Hanley Miller Phobe(should be Phoebe) daughter 9 scholar Cheshire Miller william 5 son Liverpool Miller Richard 3 son Liverpool Miller Ellen daughter 10weeks liverpool roberts henry boarder 21 bricklayer suvertry shropshire ALL RESIDING AT 12 croston Street liverpool parish of St Matthews RG no RG09 PIECE 2651.if this is not them the parish church for hill St was St Simons.......Moe!

deb, Try this site: http;historicaldirectories.org Have a look under Lancashire directories(gores directories for liverpool/birkenhead)it is pages of a book so you may want to click on browse and type in a high number until you get your name alphabetcly www.PASTLIVErpool.com may give you an insight to how they lived MOE!

Just found this thread, maybe i can help.Upper Hill street is 1minute walk from me, and if you continue down it towards the dock road you are on Hill street.It housed a hospital chuches, Iron works and foundrys as well as houses, Its called hill Street because its a killer if you walk from bottom to top,I will look up my list of churches to see if i can find the one on Hill street the only one i know is St Patricks which is still up and running, be back soon MOE!

Katarzyna, Richard and Lib, Thanks for all your hard work! I have noted all the info and will be spending this evening on the Miller quest! I have the Edwardian A-Z's of all the Liverpool areas. I have located Hill Street. It is a main road, with smaller roads running off of it. I can just picture the enumerator doing a block or two of Hill Street, then zipping up then down one of the side street, then coming back on Hill Street. This could be why it 'chopped up'. Puts a new meaning to 'Hill Street Blues'!! Yvonne I have never really looked into finding their graves. I know that MaryAnn moved to the Everton / Scotland Road area. She was married three times - Richard being the first. I'll have a scout around the graveyard sites to see if I can spot them. Mary Ann when she died had the last name Torrentine, so that will be easy to spot. Thank You, and I will keep you posted if I find anything. Deb

Hi Deb I live in Liverpool and some of my ancestors where Toxteth Park, I have recently been round Smithdown Cemetary as that is where they are most likely to be buried or Liverpool Anglican Cathedral looking for them but the cememtary is massive. Toxteth Park is now part of South Liverpool, ie Liverpool 8, I even rang the council to see if they could get me the plot numbers of my relatives, but I dont know what year they died and it would cost £10 to go through every year! If Im ever on my travels again round that graveyard Ill have a look for the gravestones for you, as graveyards are my speicallity. Are they buried in Liverpool? Regards Yvonne

Blimey you've all been busy! No wonder they havent been found if the info is missing or scattered, I went to bed dreaming of this family last night lol Good luck Deb! Lib

HILL ST is in district 6 for Toxteth 1861 At the moment all I get is Error for image, As I said before, go to 1861, pick anyone from 1961, Lancashire, Toxteth Park. Bring up their image. Look at the top Lancashire>Toxford Park> District is shown Click on Toxteth Park. This will bring up all the districts. Click on District 6 Have e-mailed Ancestry with error, hoping they can let us know if these records exist or just a problem with viewer. Could be a long wait :(

Hi Deb I think some of the pages are missing, as i cant find my rellies in 61 in the toxteth area either . Best of luck Julie

There's another Hill Street, in Lime Street ward, Liverpool. On that, number 3 is called ''3 Court or Johnstons'', which seems to have been a block of flats or something - covers several pages. I can't see your family there though: RG9/2690/62/34

Have found this re to Hill st Dwelling: 49 Hill St Census Place: Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1341870 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3634 Folio 109 Hope this helps Durr, wrong census, sorry BUT at least from this we get the District no which is 6 Katazyna

Deb Found the even numbers for Hill Street - they start at RG9/2700/58/42. Haven't found the odd numbers yet! The even numbers do all seem to be there, not sure why they don't show up on a 1837online search.

Deb You can do a street search on 1837online for free - true you need credits to look at the images (and therefore to get the names) but at least the free search tells you whether the street exists and what house numbers are on there. I did a free search for Hill Street (residential place = ''West Derby'') and two came up: one in North Toxteth ward and one in Everton ward. I presume that it's the North Toxteth one that you're looking for. From the house numbers listed, numbers 1-12 seem to be there, but from 13 onwards, there are only odd numbers (13 to 107). Of course, maybe there were no houses on the even side of the street from no. 12 onwards, but equally possibly it might indicate that part of the street is missing? The search results also show the schedule numbers. These seem to jump around a lot for this street, which suggests that it was enumerated in several parts, and therefore could be scattered across several folios? Richard

I see what you mean, only two pages for Hill Street. The rest are Upper Hill Street. I'm wondering if the two pages are actually Upper Hill Street. I'll have to give up on it tonight and continue the trawl tomorrow. At least I'm in the right area! Deb

Katarzyna - YOU ARE A GEM!! Off to have a look now, I'll keep you posted. THANKS A MILLION, Much appreciated, Deb