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This looks like the baptism in question (IGI) ELIZA JANE SMITH Event(s): Christening: 03 FEB 1850 Fareham, Hampshire, England Parents: Father: JAMES SMITH Mother: MARY Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. Batch No.: C063063 1832 - 1871 Source Call No.: 0918893 [St Peter's & St Paul's PRs] PS oops just realised, wrong parents. Right place and date though. If there was another Smith baptism same place same date, it ought to have been in the same IGI batch

Hi Jess, Nell and Jan Elizabeths birthplace - Stubbington taken from 1871 census, age 24 wife of William C Laming, she was living at 232 Holly Street, Gosport, Hants. Also living with them was Mary Ann Smith - Mother in law, 49, born Stubbington and Emily Smith - sister in law, age 9, born Gosport. I asked my source where she got the baptism from, but all she told me is what Ive written above. She also said that Stubbington is often refered to as Fareham, think this what you already said Jan. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all, Im abroad at mo. Hope to hear from you soon Carley

Dont know about 'jumped the gun' you seem to have a lot of unsubstantiated (and sometimes conflicting ) 'evidence' Elizabeth 's baptism for one. Where does you contact say she was baptised - you have two place, neither of which i can find on the IGI. jess x

*Nell* I've jumped the gun havn't I? I have taken the info from the other member to be true, as they have certificate for the sisters marriage. I have asked my source to join the board, but shes in OZ. Hopefully hear from her soon Carley

I still don't know how you know that the 1850 Elizabeth Anne birth is the same person who married Mr Laming around 1866? nell

*Jess* The baptism info came from another genes member, we share this connection, I have tried to contact her and am awaiting her reply. As for siblings: Elizabeth and Emily are all I know of, again this came from the same source as the baptism. As soon as I get a reply I'll post it here. *Jan* Look forward to hearing from you, fingers crossed for Tuesday! Thanks again for all your hard work Carley

No problem, I'll have a look Tuesday.

carly - just a thought - did Eliabeth and her sister have any other siblings? what is your source for the info pertaining to elizabeth baptism please- cant find it on the IGI under Fareham either jess

Jan Jan Thank you for the very kind offer, if you are going to the records centre I would really appreciate a lookup. * Elizabeth Smith marriage to William Laming in the Gosport/Alverstoke area, time frame is just before 1866 this is when her first baby (William Charles F Laming) arrived. Elizabeth died in 1879. William then married Elizabeth's sister in 1880, in St Johns Forton - I have the certificate for this. * Elizabeth was born in Stubbington possibly c1846, baptised 3 Feb 1850 Fareham, Hants. Thank you once again Carley

Don't forget St.Edmunds Church in Stubbington, which is known as the Crofton Old Church. That started off in the 9th and 10th Century. The offer is still there to check out the wedding next week if you want.

Im wondering if this could be Elizabeth Jane Smith using her middle name 'Jane' as christian name. Mother and father names would fit, no Emily though!: 1861 England Census records matching your search for All Records > Census > 1861 England Census Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Ellen Smith abt 1846 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire George Rd Smith abt 1849 Gosport, Hampshire, England Son Alverstoke Hampshire >>>>Jane Smith abt 1847 Gosport, Hampshire, England Daughter Alverstoke Hampshire Mary Ann Smith abt 1806 Fareham, Hampshire, England Wife Alverstoke Hampshire Mary Jane Smith abt 1855 Gosport, Hampshire, England Granddaughter Alverstoke Hampshire William Smith abt 1804 Gosport, Hampshire, England Head Alverstoke Hampshire

so is this Elizabeth in 1871? Elizabeth Churchward abt 1835 Gosport, Hampshire, England Wife Alverstoke Hampshire Samuel P Churchward abt 1843 Stoke Damerel, Devon, England Head Alverstoke Hampshire Sarah Gorman abt 1856 Gosport, Hampshire, England Niece Alverstoke Hampshire Elizabeth J Laming abt 1849 Gosport, Hampshire, England Servant Alverstoke Hampshire let me go and see her marital status age 22 UN married! ------------------------------------- Brenda i am really not sure of Carly's source of info on the baptism

Elizabeth Jane is unlikely to have been baptised in Stubbington as there was no such church at that date. It would be sensible to check with Genuki, but I think she should have been baptised in Titchfield or Alverstoke. Crofton Holy Rood, which is where several of my Stubbington ancestors were baptised has registers that run from rather later - about the 1870s.

Jan it is a Stubbington birth i think we need. Where would you say you were born if you were going to be less specific? Fareham ? Jess

For the record, Stubbington is a small village, between Fareham and Gosport where I live. It would have been mainly farming land and is famous for fresh, delicious strawberries. I have been out of action for a few days with a nail in the phone extension, which stopped me connecting. This message looks very confusing. Can you let me know the details of the marriage that you are checking and I will go to the Record Office on Tuesday and get all the info for you. Would that help? Jan.Jan

1861 maybe william and Emily Esther Aspinall abt 1812 Gosport, Hampshire, England Head Alverstoke Hampshire Emily Smith abt 1850 Gosport, Hampshire, England Boarder Alverstoke Hampshire William Smith abt 1815 Maxstoke, Hampshire, England Boarder Alverstoke Hampshire William is a widow. No this Emily is born the year Elizabeth was baptised!

have i lost the plot - have i got the wrong Lamings in 1891 and 1881 ?

Jess, Elizabeths parents were Smiths not Lamings. Thats definatly them in the census 1891 and 1881 with Emily as Wife. Ive gone back over the copy of the 1861 census (which was buried under a mound of papers) and I cant read it correctly, the copy is so bad, I'll get another copy from the family source.

Stubbington is in Hampshire, South West of Fareham just off the coast. Im just rechecking a scan I have of the census from 1861. sorry

Williams marriage to Elizabeth's sister Emily Smith: Laming, William Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1880 District: Alverstoke County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 701