Genealogy Chat

Can anyone help? My Gt Grd Father: Arthur Probert was born in c1852 in Birmingham. Father John, mother Harriet nee Fereday. He had two brothers (Henry b1844 and William b 1850). By 1861 John Probert had died and Harriet and re-married a Thomas Mcguire and had two children Elizabeth b1859 and Thomas b1860. Here are my problems: 1. I can find that both Henry and William were born the the parish of St Mary in B'ham, but I cannot find the birth of Arthur (G G F) anywhere. 2. I can also follow Henry and William through the census records but Arthur disappears from the census records until 1901 where he is married to Selina Ellen nee Marshall and has a child Alfred Arthur (my nans brother) 3 The McGuires vanish...although Thos McGuire has his birth place shown as Ireland on the 1861 census, so could have moved back. Anyone have any ideas as to where I could try and find why Arthur doesn't appear to have been born (but I'm here) and why he would vanish for 30 years from the census records. Or have any tips on alternative searching methods. Thanks Matthew

Just need to split this up so it's easier to read.... Can anyone help? My Gt Grd Father: Arthur Probert was born in c1852 in Birmingham. Father John, mother Harriet nee Fereday. He had two brothers (Henry b1844 and William b 1850). By 1861 John Probert had died and Harriet and re-married a Thomas Mcguire and had two children Elizabeth b1859 and Thomas b1860. Here are my problems: 1. I can find that both Henry and William were born the the parish of St Mary in B'ham, but I cannot find the birth of Arthur (G G F) anywhere. 2. I can also follow Henry and William through the census records but Arthur disappears from the census records until 1901 where he is married to Selina Ellen nee Marshall and has a child Alfred Arthur (my nans brother) 3 The McGuires vanish...although Thos McGuire has his birth place shown as Ireland on the 1861 census, so could have moved back. Anyone have any ideas as to where I could try and find why Arthur doesn't appear to have been born (but I'm here) and why he would vanish for 30 years from the census records. Or have any tips on alternative searching methods. Thanks Matthew

Ok, it's possible Arthur went to Ireland with his mum and Thomas. Do you have his marriage details?

DOH, stupifyingly obvious, can't beleive I didn't think of that. However the birth thing ?

For reference - 1861 Thos McGuire abt 1828 Ireland Head Birmingham Warwickshire Harriett McGuire abt 1823 Upton, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Henry Probert abt 1845 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire William Probert abt 1850 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Arthur Probert abt 1853 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Elizth McGuire abt 1859 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Thos McGuire abt 1860 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire 1901 Arthur Probert abt 1853 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Birmingham Warwickshire Ellen Probert abt 1863 Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Alfred Arthur Probert abt 1898 Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire

I'm working on that :)

Or that I can't spell believe

So he married in Birmingham... Marriages Mar 1894 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Marshall Selina Ellen Birmingham 6d 186 Probert Arthur Birmingham 6d 186

Indeed he did

Gut reaction - going to be transcribed as ROBERT..Not that i can see one that fits the bill

Yes, got me stummped as well

Bumping this along, has anyone any idea's ? Can anyone help? My Gt Grd Father: Arthur Probert was born in c1852 in Birmingham. Father John, mother Harriet nee Fereday. He had two brothers (Henry b1844 and William b 1850). By 1861 John Probert had died and Harriet and re-married a Thomas Mcguire and had two children Elizabeth b1859 and Thomas b1860. Here are my problems: 1. I can find that both Henry and William were born the the parish of St Mary in B'ham, but I cannot find the birth of Arthur (G G F) anywhere. 2. I can also follow Henry and William through the census records but Arthur disappears from the census records until 1901 where he is married to Selina Ellen nee Marshall and has a child Alfred Arthur (my nans brother) 3 The McGuires vanish...although Thos McGuire has his birth place shown as Ireland on the 1861 census, so could have moved back. Anyone have any ideas as to where I could try and find why Arthur doesn't appear to have been born (but I'm here) and why he would vanish for 30 years from the census records. Thanks Matthew

Matthew, Here they are in 1871 all listed as PROBERT mistranscribed as ROBERT: Arthur Robert abt 1853 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Elizabeth Robert abt 1859 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Birmingham Warwickshire Harriett Robert abt 1813 Upton on Severn, Shropshire, England Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Thomas Robert abt 1822 Ireland Head Birmingham Warwickshire grocer's porter Thomas Robert abt 1860 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Birmingham Warwickshire Source information: RG10/3115 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Folio: 6 Page: 5 at 13 Coach yard, St. Mary, Birmingham Emma

And in 1881 - occupation is gun finisher which ties in with 1871 where his occupation is given as gun flock? finisher: Mary Ann Harris abt 1852 Welland, Worcestershire, England Sister in Law 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Ada Jane Page abt 1867 Birmingham Daughter 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Ann Eliza Page abt 1868 Birmingham Daughter 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Clara Jannette Page abt 1865 Birmingham Daughter 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Ellen Page abt 1841 Welland, Worcestershire, England Wife 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England John Page abt 1839 Gt Malvern, Worcestershire, England Head 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Mary Ellen Page abt 1869 Birmingham Daughter 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Arthur Robert abt 1853 Birmingham Lodger 64 Heneage St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Address: 64 Heneage St Civil parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Condition as to marriage: Unknown Occupation: Gun Finisher Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Source information: RG11/3027 Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 98 Page: 15 Emma

Matthew, Harriet and Elizabeth in 1881? Definitely appears to be a name change from McGuire to Probert. Elizabeth Probert abt 1859 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Court 24, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, domestic servant Harriet Probert abt 1821 Upton, Worcestershire, England Head Court 24, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, widower, seamstress Source information: RG11/2990 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Folio: 57 Page: 21 which would make this a possible for Thomas: Martha Probert abt 1862 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Wife Coleshill St. Florence Place House No 1, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Thomas M. Probert abt 1860 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Coleshill St. Florence Place House No 1, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England , lithographic machine printer Thomas W. Probert abt 1880 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Coleshill St. Florence Place House No 1, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Source information: RG11/2990 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Folio: 51 Page: 10 Emma

Emma, you're a star, thank you

Thanks for the help, but I still can't fing when Arthur Probert was actually born, I've tried variations on the surname Probet, Robert, but nothing. Any suggestions for other variants I could try. Cheers