Genealogy Chat

Yep.......... Quite right.......... tried 23 surnames so far-match for smith and lewis,but 100% proof needed.

Sounds like time to buy a child's birth cert!! merry

Mary Christian Lewis christened 11th june 1821 Barbados. (mother= sarah christian lewis,no father declared) ????????????????????

Latest desperate attempt>>>>>>>> Mary Walcott Mills 21st October 1823,St.joseph,Barbados father=edward mills/mother=rachel walcott James Dunn marries perhaps Mary Ann Mills sep 1847 Poplar. Mary E. Dunn ??????????????????????????????

Christine >>>thanks for looking,but Dunn was her married surname,not her birth or maiden name.

About that 'Lewis' - lots of people didn't put their full names down on the census but were more likely to use them for official registrations of births, marriages and deaths. For example, my g-g-g-grandfather Robert James Bristow, on the 1841 is listed as Robt. Bristow, on the 1851 as Robt. Jas. Bristow, on the 1861 as Robert J. Bristow, on the 1871 as Robert Jas. Bristow. His son, also Robert James Bristow, is Robert Bristow on the 1841, Robert J. Bristow on the 1851, Robert J. Bristow on the 1871, and James Bristow on the 1881. But that doesn't mean they both added the James to their names after 1841. They just didn't bother putting it down on the census. Robert senior's wife was Ann Jane, but she is listed just as Ann on both 1841 and 1851. Both Robert Jameses are mentioned in various wills and sometimes just referred to as Robert Bristow, and sometimes it will be corrected in the probate grant. Anyway, I still reckon your James Lewis Dunn will turn out to have been called James Lewis Dunn all along but just didn't always bother to use his middle name. Kate.

From familysearch MARY MC SWAIN DUNN Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 17 MAY 1824 Saint Michael, Barbados, Caribbean Parents: Father: JONATHAN DUNN Mother: JOSEPHUS Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Chris>>>>>spot on,thats what it must be ,yes the curve of the s is similar. So,is that to make sure we know that her parents were British,>??? My knowledge of the state of afffairs in Barbados then is nill-perhaps I need to read up on the politics at the time.

as mentioned earlier why suddenly use it in 1861 census.?? not used in 1851 his first so is john abt 1849 second is james abt 1850 third is lewis abt 1853 wonder if he discovered something about his past at that time. is the name john a clue as to his fathers name.? Kate found a christening that fits nicely but neither the mother or fathers name appears in the childrens names at all. He has about 9 kids but none are called Robert or Margaret.

lol Alter! Makes it seem more likely that he should have his middle name on his marriage entry, but I can't find one Gggrrrrr! Maybe married abroad? I haven't looked on those.... Merry

Silly me- Ive viewed that one aswell ........durrh senior moment. never seen so many variations on his details-wonder if he was a bit number blind....everyone else seems so well behaved in the records.

You mentioned Lewis is not used as his middle name on his death entry, but it is!: Deaths Jun 1875 Dunn James Lewis _[5_] Kensington 1a 9[1_] The age is recorded as 65 and the page ref 1a 91 on 1837online. Suppose 65 is near enough!! Merry

yep that seems to be what is in order merry......! just trawled british origins........... James Dunn 28 Waiter born OOC Mary Dunn 23 (liar !) born OOC 1841 Gloucestershire.No kids-no relationship stated-could be a sister ! Was only one entry of 2 for his age -the other married a Sarah.

Birth cert of a child? For mum's name....... Best bet, James aged 11 months in 1851 census. Brompton is in Kensington District: Births Jun 1850 Dunn James Kensington 3 315 Merry

Thanks janet for your insight.......Ive got british origins-I'll take a look there.

Just remembered also that of course Gloucester being a port would have been involved with Slave Trade as well. Also if worked for a big family in sugar like Tate and Lyle then that could be the way he got to London because didn't Tate and Lyle start in Bristol/Gloucester area? He could also have worked as a gardener for a big family like Tate and Lyle or similar and the same thing would apply. He would go with the family to the London home to tend the garden there. I had grooms in one of my Northants family working for a big family who went on a regular basis with the family to the London Family Seat and eventually married in London because he presumably met with someone in his place of work. They usually met 'partners' in their place of work. Even 'lowly members' of society working in moneyed families may well have needed his employer's permission to marry, so could be a Marriage Licence somewhere? There is an Index of Marriage Licences in London which may be worth checking. Janet

Thanks all for your contributions-will muse over the christening and the slavery angle methinks !

Kate -that date fits perfectly with his age in later censi-i would be a fool to ignore it. Question: why worcester in 1851 gloucestershire in 1861 kensington in 1871 Is it possible he was born in the country and christened in london ?????

i tried the lewis angle and got nowhere-The name appears in 1861 as his middle name once only-wasnt used 1851 or 1871-not used in his death name in 1875-though it might be on cert. I'm wondering if this name was adopted as a thanks or acknowledgement to someone,or if it was a mothers maiden name adopted after her death?

This could be him, given his vagueness about where and when he was born, or else it is a doppelganger to beware of!: JAMES LEWIS DUNN Male --------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 14 JUL 1813 Christening: 25 JUL 1813 Saint Paul, Deptford, London, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: ROBT. DUNN Family Mother: MARGT. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: P006301 1801 - 1843 0254583-0254588 Film 0821206 Film Sheet: 00