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Hi Jess, if you could please can you search for Jane Dobson b 1853/4 Baydon, Wiltshire on the 1871 census. In 1861 at home with mum, dad and siblings RG9/726 folio 54 p12. Married in 1875 to George Westall in Baydon and still there in 1881 RG11/1276. Many thanx Joan

Lillythe details are View Record John Conder abt 1807 Lymick Lodger Hound Hampshire George Davis abt 1838 West Geropton Lodger Hound Hampshire Annah Erwood abt 1809 Compton, Hampshire, England Wife Hound Hampshire Annah Erwood abt 1845 Devizes Daughter Hound Hampshire George Erwood abt 1847 Devizes Son Hound Hampshire James Erwood abt 1806 Devizes Head Hound Hampshire Willm Few abt 1838 Fosbury Lodger Hound Hampshire Pritchard Sidey abt 1841 Oxfordshire, England Lodger Hound Hampshire John Walker abt 1837 Nottinghamshire, England Lodger Hound Hampshire adress No 8 Hut John is a labourer. the wife /Daughter does appears to be called Annah Source information: RG9/680 f 111 p 31 Registration district: South Stoneham Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra Sorry I dont send images (i cant!) if you post request for RG9/680 F111 p31 John walker someone will be able to send it without looking for it again jesd

Jess Moseley Street is almost in Bordersely, and although Ashted Row (it is Ashted) is no longer in existence I am pretty sure it was in the town Centre and not too far away from where Harriet lived. Spooky to think he may have seen her regularly before he committed his heinous crime. By the way he got 5 years penal servitude. I am hoping to visit the County record office to look at the case and see if it gives further details. I am hoping for a date then I can perhaps look at back copies of the newspapers. Once again thank you for looking them up Chris

Hi Jess I am soo sorry I have only just been able to reply. I am at work where I am on reception. I had just posed my question to you when I was asked to help with some work downstairs (I am normally left pretty much alone and can access the internet. I got back to my desk just after 2 and could not access GC! IT had put a block on the site.You must have felt very frustrated and somewhat infuriated that I did not reply. I apologise again, should have realised something like this could happen and wait until I get home. It has been the longest 2 hour waiting to get back on. I will now look at your replies now that I'm on again Thank you so much for all your effort and patience Chris

Jess, Yes, I can see that is a more logical way to work. I will have to get birth registration details of my grandmother Lilian, (Robert's 4th child )born in Salford in 1891 and then buy the birth certificate. Happy hunting with Christine's request. Regards, Pauline

Hopping over the others for a moment - cos i'm not really in the mood right now-will do them later christines has taken my imagination! __________________________________ Christine - is this the right lot in 1881@ Annie Price abt 1853 Bham Lodger Back 68 House 1 Wheeler St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Ann Taylor abt 1838 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Wife Back 68 House 1 Wheeler St, Aston, Warwickshire, England >Caleb Taylor abt 1840 Sandford, Oxfordshire, England Head Back 68 House 1 Wheeler St, Aston, Warwickshire, England ------------------------------------------ 1871- Must be the right man , surely? Name: Caleb Taylor Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Prisoner Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Sandford, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish or Township: Islington St Clement Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Town: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Source information: RG10/277 Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Pentonville Prison Folio: 43 Page: 21 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 GSU Number: 824920 ------------------------------------ best i can find in 1861 - but in the right area , more or less Elizabeth Creed abt 1848 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Boarder Aston Warwickshire Emma Creed abt 1824 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Thomas Creed abt 1825 Gloucestershire, England Head Aston Warwickshire Elizabeth Faulkner abt 1835 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Servant Aston Warwickshire Elizabeth Jorden abt 1844 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Niece Aston Warwickshire Henry Preston abt 1821 London, Middlesex, England Lodger Aston Warwickshire >> Caleb Taylor abt 1841 Oxford, Oxfordshire, England Servant Aston Warwickshire ----------------------------------------------- Harriet in 1861 Emma Charlesworth abt 1850 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire > Harriet Charlesworth abt 1856 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston Warwickshire John Wm Charlesworth abt 1823 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire John Wm Charlesworth abt 1860 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Rosina Charlesworth abt 1823 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Source information: RG9/2171 f 128 p 32 Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Deritend see if i can find addresses Harriet and family were living at what look like 8 back of 120 Morely st Caleb at what looks like 222 (cant work it out ) maybe Ashted Row maybe Gated Row

Hi Jess, you kindly found him in 1871, plse could you try 1861. I have but can't find him. Alfred HYDE 1871 Alfred Lyas abt 1826 Shepperton, Middx. Reg district Staines, Surrey 1881 Alfred Hyde abt 1824 Shepperton Middx. Reg District Walton on Thames 1891 Alfred Hyde abt 1822 Shepperton Middx. Reg District Chertsey, Surrey 1901 alfred Hyde abt 1822 Shepperton Middx. Reg District Chertsey, Surrey His marriage cert date nov 5th 1864 gives his age as 37 so born c. 1827 also shown as widower so may have been with another wife 1861. No details known. Thanks, Jenny

Jess Wonder if you are still ready and willing. From the Warwickshire Criminals register I found a gt gt Aunt who was the victim of rape in Birmingham in 1870, her name was Harriett Charlesworth and she was 14 just years of age. From the same criminal register Caleb Taylor was convicted of rape in Birmingham in 1870 and the case number was the same. Would you please look for him in the 61, 71, 91 and 01 Census. I have found him in the 1881 living in Birmingham with his wife and a lodger. He was bc 1840 in Oxfordshire. Also would you be kind enough to look for Harriet Charlesworth on the 1861 and 1871 (She died in 1874). I want to know if Caleb Taylor was living in Close proximity to the Charlesworths at any time. Many thanks in anticipation Chris

Hi Jess, if you are still bored!! Would you mind very much if you could find one of my many John Walker's, I know he is in the 1861 census, which I have details for but would really like a copy of.......details are John Walker b. 1837 born Nottinghamshire, lodger with George Erwood, also 'annah Erwood b. 1845, James Erwood b.1806, 'annah Erwood 1809 all living in Hound Hampshire, I have these details but would love the rest, like place of birth of the others, and John Walker's Occupation, and anything else that may help me. thank you, if you can manage to do this for me. I will send email address if you have any luck, ... thanks.....Lilly

Jess You do seem very knowledgeable.I wonder if you've see my thread on records board about the term 'boys on the foundation.' Would welcome comments or help. Thank you so much, Maureen

Pauline - having found them in 1881 i can try , bear with me Arthur Woods abt 1880 Salford, Lancashire, England Son 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Woods abt 1855 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Robert Woods abt 1852 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Head 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Robert Woods abt 1879 Salford, Lancashire, England Son 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Do you have the marriage ref please?

Pauline, your best hope would be to find the bith of one their children with mothers maiden name as their second name. otherwise if you think it is the right marriage for your robert then buy the cert - there will only be one brides name on their Jess

Jess, First, thanks for the info on Robert, as you can probably guess I'm fairly new to doing research, but do you think son means stepson, i.e. the wife' s child considering the surname difference? As to Elizabeth, to be honest I was holding out some hope of a clue if a family was listed (similar christian names to children, grandchildren etc), but no wasn't hoping to confirm which was wife this way, just clue-gathering. Anyway, thanks once again. Pauline

Pauline , How iwll taking the two women back ascertain which is his wife - i assume the purpose of the exercise? cant find one - 1861 - with your criteria View Record Robert Woods abt 1852 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Brother Church Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Maghull, Lancashire, England Son Lydiate Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1852 Torrisholme, Lancashire, England Son Poulton, Bare and Torrisholme Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Preesall, Lancashire, England Son Preesall with Hackensall Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Preston Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1852 Farrington, Lancashire, England Son Walton le Dale Lancashire --------------------------------- 1871 the best i can find is this View Record Ann Hignett abt 1821 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Wife Salford Lancashire View Record Samuel Hignett abt 1819 Whitegate, Cheshire, England Head Salford Lancashire View Record William Scowcill abt 1840 Latchford, Cheshire, England Boarder Salford Lancashire View Record Robert Wood abt 1852 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Son Salford Lancashire

Hi Jess, Thanks for your generous offer. Could you look on 1861/71 for Robert Woods abt 1852 born Ormskirk Lancashire, living in Salford Lancs in 1881 Also the same using 2 possibilities for his wife Elizabeth Catlin or Elizabeth Warner abt 1855 born Salford Lancs. They were not married until 1878 Waiting in anticipation !! Pauline

Carole Ann Martin abt 1878 Nottinghamshire, England Sister-in-law Nottingham Nottinghamshire Elizabeth B Ward abt 1880 Nottinghamshire, England Wife Nottingham Nottinghamshire George H Ward abt 1882 Nottinghamshire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire george occupation =carpenter his wife is a box maker ann is a lace maker They were all living at 18 Albert sq ----------------------------------------------- right dates and names to be sisters (which 1901 suggests) Ann Martin abt 1878 Nottinghamshire, England Daughter 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Elizabeth Martin abt 1881 Nottinghamshire, England Daughter 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Mary Martin abt 1858 Nottinghamshire, England Wife 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England William Martin abt 1855 Barnstaple Head 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England

Carol- what did you want me to do with those names? you didn't say! 1901 - The rest of the household- thomas Thomas Daft abt 1842 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire Thomas Daft abt 1879 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Herbert Smith abt 1879 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Boarder Nottingham Nottinghamshire Nellie Smith abt 1878 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Nottingham Nottinghamshire address ; 8 Lewis Terrace his father is a shoemaker, widowed Thomas JNR is a bricklayer (UN M) -------------------------------------------- 1881 Thomas Daft abt 1879 Nottinghamshire, England Nurse Child Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Mary Wardle abt 1836 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Mary Wardle abt 1868 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Sarah Wardle abt 1873 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Thomas Wardle abt 1831 Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England Head Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England - interesting! ---------------------------------------------------- hopefully the middle one is yours, will tell mothers name Daft, Thomas 1878 March Births Shardlow Derbyshire Leicestershire Nottinghamshire DAFT, Thomas 1879 March Births Nottingham Nottinghamshire Quarter: March Year: 1879 District: Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 289 DAFT, Thomas William 1879 March Births Shardlow Derbyshire Leicestershire Nottinghamshire ----------------------------------------- Just wondering if their is a DAFT death in same QTR.....

Gloria - the 1861 for ref -I THINK- Be very careful , there is another family with the name HOLT, Father james, mother mary daughter Eliz....Please confirm this is the right one Ann Holt abt 1853 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham Elizabeth Holt abt 1854 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham James Holt abt 1825 Bolton, Lancashire, England Head Brancepeth Durham James Holt abt 1857 Brancepeth, Durham, England Son Brancepeth Durham Margaret Holt abt 1852 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham Mary Holt abt 1828 Oldham, Lancashire, England Wife Brancepeth Durham Mary J Holt abt 1856 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham Thomas Holt abt 1859 Brancepeth, Durham, England Son Brancepeth Durham

Hi Jess, that makes two of us who can't find them,looks like that spaceship has been again god bless. John