Genealogy Chat

Hi, Sorry I've been offline due to major computer probs and sick kids! Am back now and will repost my original message so you can remember me. 'I am looking for Francis Kennedy (c1849) in the 1861. He was born in Bermondsey and his fathers name was John. I can find no trace of him at all before 1869 when he married, not even a birth certificate. I got his fathers name from his marriage certificate and his occupation was listed as fellowship porter. That's about all I have to go on and would really appreciate a look up.' You asked me if I had him in any census after marriage - yes, all except the 1871. I can find no birth ref but on all census it states that he was born in Bermondsey. In 1872 he is listed as 'seaman Merchant Service' on his daughters birth certificate and in 1881 as a 'mariner' but after that as a fish porter. But in 1861 he would have only been about 12 so he shouldn't really have been away at sea at that point. In 1871 I cannot find him or his wife - maybe he or both of them are at sea? Any help gratefully received and here's fingers crossed the computer holds out for a bit longer! Lorraine

Isobel the info you posted at 20.48 means nothing to me without some ref as to what you want me to do with it or what it refers to Jess

Jess, Thanks for looking up my family for me, the information was great, thanks again, Caroline.

Lorraine - have you found him after marriage in any census? how do you know where he was born if not- having not found birth record? Jess

Hi, I am looking for Francis Kennedy (c1849) in the 1861. He was born in Bermondsey and his fathers name was John. I can find no trace of him at all before 1869 when he married, not even a birth certificate. I got his fathers name from his marriage certificate and his occupation was listed as fellowship porter. That's about all I have to go on and would really appreciate a look up. Many thanks, Lorraine

Hi Jess, Thanks for looking for my Edwin Hollender. Maybe he was just hiding when the census was taken or those aliens struck again. Jane

Caroline 1861- Interesting!! David Hammond abt 1860 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Nether Knutsford Cheshire James Hammond abt 1826 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Head Nether Knutsford Cheshire Sarah Hammond abt 1828 Preston Brook, Cheshire, England Wife Nether Knutsford Cheshire Thomas Hammond abt 1858 Silsden, Yorkshire, England Son Nether Knutsford Cheshire Ellen Hankey abt 1852 Wootton, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Nether Knutsford Cheshire James Hankey abt 1856 Harwich, Lancashire, England Stepson Nether Knutsford Cheshire John Hankey abt 1850 Aston, Cheshire, England Stepson Nether Knutsford Cheshire ----------------------------------------------- 1871 Hopefully- living Swinton Sq, which reassures me! David Hammond abt 1860 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Hale Hammond abt 1870 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire =KATE James Hammond abt 1826 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Head Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Joseph Hammond abt 1865 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Richard Hammond abt 1868 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Sarah Hammond abt 1828 Preston Brook, Cheshire, England Wife Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Sarah Hammond abt 1862 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Thomas Hammond abt 1858 Silsden, Yorkshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire the 1881 for ref: Harry Hammond abt 1872 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England James Hammond abt 1826 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Head Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England James Hammond abt 1856 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England Joseph Hammond abt 1865 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England Kate Hammond abt 1870 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England Richard Hammond abt 1868 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England Sarah Hammond abt 1832 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Wife Swinton Sq, Knutsford Nether, Cheshire, England _____________________________________-- 1891- all over the place! Hammond, Kate abt 1871 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Servant Tabley Superior Cheshire ---------------- Hammond, Harry abt 1890 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire >>Hammond, Joseph abt 1866 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Head Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Hammond, Kate abt 1889 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Hammond, Marton abt 1867 Wrexham, Wales Wife Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Hammond, Sarah J abt 1888 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire

Hi Jess, Yes that's definitely the family living in Hollinders Lane in 1881. I did see somewhere that the road was named after them! I'm not sure that Edwin Halldren would be the right one. My Edwin is usually something to do with bricks or tiles and is always born in Walsall. He must be really badly mistranscribed! Jane

jane - a possible. bit young, has a Hannah with him - age 11? Name: Edwin Halldren Age in 1881: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relationship to head-of-household: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Address: 3 Goscote Village Civil parish: Walsall Foreign County/Island: Staffordshire Occupation: Key Stamper Employment status: View Image Source information: RG11/2820 Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Bloxwich ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 83 Page: 22

jane, 1881 the rest of the fmily i assume Interesting road name! Alfred Hollinder abt 1874 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England Arthur Hollinder abt 1880 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England Earnest Hollinder abt 1877 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England Harriet Hollinder abt 1866 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Daughter Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England Joseph Hollinder abt 1833 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Head Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England Rebecca Hollinder abt 1840 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Wife Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England Thomas Hollinder abt 1864 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England William Hollinder abt 1871 Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England Son Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England

Hi Jess, i have James Hammond age 55, birthplace Knutsford, Cheshire from the 1881 census, his wife was Sarah aged 49 and children were.... James aged 25, Joseph aged 16, Richard aged 13, Kate aged 11 and Harry aged 9, all born Knutsford, Cheshire. I was wondering if you could find anything on any census previous to the 1881 census for me. James hammond(head) was my grt grt grt grandfather, i'd be really greatful if you could help me out, thanks, Caroline.

Hi Jess, I've been looking for Edwin Hollender in 1861 and 1881 censuses. He is on the 1871 census in Walsall Wood with his parents Joseph and Rebecca (transcribed as Hollmb!), age 13, Tile Worker but he is called Edward. This must be him as they didn't have an Edward according to the parish records. The next one I can find him in is 1891 with his parents again (still in Walsall Wood) - this time age 34, married and a labourer in a brick yard. Wife Martha Ann is visiting her mother in Norton Canes with children. In 1901 he has moved to Wye in Kent and is Edwin J. Hollender with wife Martha Ann and 2 children. I found his baptism entry: 04 Nov 1860 Edwin Joseph, son of Joseph & Rebecca Hollinder Tile Maker of Vigo, Walsall His marriage to Martha Ann Eccleston was Q1 1887 in Walsall. I think probably most of the Vigo in Walsall is missing in 1861 census (if that's where they were) but I would really like to find him in 1881. I would be so grateful if you could track him down. Jane

Thanks Jess, No... I don't know of any more children. This is what I was hoping to find out on the subsequent census's. Sue

sue 1881 in full - easier to work from- did they have any other children that you know of please James Birkenshaw abt 1841 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England Head 2 Upper Cavalier Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England John W Birkenshaw abt 1876 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Son 2 Upper Cavalier Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Kate Birkenshaw abt 1856 Patricroft, Lancashire, England Wife 2 Upper Cavalier Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Bridget Carve abt 1831 Ireland Mother 2 Upper Cavalier Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England Mary A Wright abt 1863 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Boarder 2 Upper Cavalier Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

I would be most grateful for any help to try to find my gg aunt in 1891 and 1901. In 1871 she is Catherine Carew b. abt 1856 Manchester. Married James Burkenshaw in 1875. at Barton upon Irwell. In 1881 she is Kate Birkenshaw living in Leeds. She and James have a son John W b. abt 1876. After this, even though I realise that the name is open to various spellings, I seem to have lost them, and would really appreciate it if you could take a look. Sue

Eliza - i think i am going to have to concecede on that one - i cant find them. the son born in Southsea is throwing me completely

Eliza - But in the same cenus they have a daughter Jemima and a daughter Rose. If you are thinking that birth for Rosanna Jemima is their daughter , would they have called another daughter Rose?, even if they called the first Roseanna by her second name jemima?

Eliza B I think you are on dodgy ground with that 1901 family - i'm not as convinced as you! Not doing very well in 1891 for you either- leave that with me for a bit

Bruce - i so want it to say McLaren for you, but it really does say Dickell or at a push Sickell..sorry

Hiya Jess.please can you see if you can find the following couple in 1881? Ive looked and i dont think they are on there,but here goes Details from census records 1861,71 and 91 1861 living Church Street SUNDERLAND Samuel Macbeth abt 1823 Sunderland Head Sunderland Durham occ Shipwrite Jane Macbeth abt 1825 Sunderland Wife Sunderland Durham John Macbeth abt 1861 Portsmouth Son Sunderland Durham Samuel Macbeth abt 1854 Sunderland Son Sunderland Durham 1871 living 3 New Grey Street Sunderland Samuel and Janes ages are out on this one Samuel McBeth Monk Wearmouth Head Sunderland occ shipwrite Charles McBeth abt 1865 Monk Wearmouth Son Sunderland Durham Jane McBeth Monk Wearmouth Wife Sunderland Durham Samuel McBeth abt 1853 Monk Wearmouth Son Sunderland Durham 1891 living 8 Grey Street Sunderland McBeth, Jane abt 1824 Monkwearmouth, Durham, England Wife Sunderland Durham McBeth, Samuel abt 1823 Monkwearmouth, Durham, England Head occ shipwrite There is a death for a samuel on Ancestry Sept 1891 age 78 There was only one Samuel Macbeth born in Sunderland according to PRs which i have looked at. Ive looked on ancestry and family search for Sam and his wife on 1881,but an extra pair of eyes is appriciated Thanks Anna :-)