Genealogy Chat

Found them in 1871 - finally. Transcribed as Ducknorthe, obviously. Robert Duckworth, Head, 34, Porter b Salford Sarah, wife, 33, b Salford Sarah H, dau, 12, b Salford Mary A, dau, 14m, b Manchester Elizabeth Lawless, boarder, 23, fustian cutter, b Warrington living at 11 Watson Street, Deansgate, Manchester. They were still living there, but at no 24, in 1872 when they had Nancy. Now, 1891 anyone?

Hi Jess, can you find Bowden Steel on 1861 baptised Quarnford,Staffs 1817 (on IGI as Boden Steel) married Mary Wooliscroft in Glossop,Derbyshire 1845,on 1871 census as Bowden Steele in Charlesworth,Derbyshire,in 1881 he is in Hollingworth,Cheshire .Mary is still there in 1891. but cannot find them on 1861. regards, John

Hi Jess, Would you be able to look up John James Fortin on 1901in London or Middx. I would be interested to know the address and household. He should also be on the 1861 census, as should his father Philip Fortin. Thanks Christine

Lindy - need a bit more than that! birthplace, parents...birthyear.. Jess

John in Lancs 1871 to help me- nope, sorry cant find them in 1861 Bowden Steele abt 1818 Luke, Staffordshire, England Head Glossop Derbyshire Mary Steele abt 1811 Farrfield, Staffordshire, England Wife Glossop Derbyshire John Woolliscroft abt 1858 Mottram, Cheshire, England Nephew Glossop Derbyshire Lewis Woolliscroft abt 1849 Mottram, Cheshire, England Nephew Glossop Derbyshire Mary Harriet Woolliscroft abt 1854 Glossop, Derbyshire, England Niece Glossop Derbyshire Thos Woolliscroft abt 1835 Farrfield, Staffordshire, England Lodger Glossop Derbyshire

Hi Jess Thanks for your kind offer - can you work your magic for me, please? I found a family on 1871, only to lose them in subsequent years. I've tried every possible trick I can think of, but no luck. Here they are in 1871: Kate Ramsey abt 1833 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Wife Bethnal Green London George Ramsey abt 1835 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Head Bethnal Green London Kate Bamsey abt 1860 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Bethnal Green London John Bamsey abt 1864 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Son Bethnal Green London The Kates are also known as Catherines, and the surname should be Ramsey. Fingers crossed! Debbie

Hi Jess, yes thats the one,if you look at image place of birth is probably Leek,and the Fairfield that is mentioned is probably Fawfield Head,cannot find Bowden or any of the Wooliscroft's on 1861. regards, John

1861 John James Fortin abt 1848 St Andrews; Holborn Son Westminster St Anne Middlesex Philip Fortin abt 1810 Madras Head Westminster St Anne Middlesex - Occupation - messenger Ellen Hahn abt 1797 St James Sister-in-law Westminster St Anne Middlesex Address household 19 old (something) St ______________________________________ the 1901 is still free to search for Sept - you have a look -its interesting

sorry cant do any more tonight- cant concentrate - got toothache!

Hi Jess, thanks in advance. 1901. Thomas Daft - born 1879 -at Nottingham,Notts,England. He's the son. Civil parish Nottingham,Notts. ~~~~~~~~~~~ 1901. Ann Martin - born 1878 - at Nottinghamshire,England. She's the sister-in-law. Civil parish Nottingham,Nottinghamshire. Again, Thankyou. Carole.

Hi Jess, that makes two of us who can't find them,looks like that spaceship has been again god bless. John

Gloria - the 1861 for ref -I THINK- Be very careful , there is another family with the name HOLT, Father james, mother mary daughter Eliz....Please confirm this is the right one Ann Holt abt 1853 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham Elizabeth Holt abt 1854 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham James Holt abt 1825 Bolton, Lancashire, England Head Brancepeth Durham James Holt abt 1857 Brancepeth, Durham, England Son Brancepeth Durham Margaret Holt abt 1852 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham Mary Holt abt 1828 Oldham, Lancashire, England Wife Brancepeth Durham Mary J Holt abt 1856 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Brancepeth Durham Thomas Holt abt 1859 Brancepeth, Durham, England Son Brancepeth Durham

Carol- what did you want me to do with those names? you didn't say! 1901 - The rest of the household- thomas Thomas Daft abt 1842 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire Thomas Daft abt 1879 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Nottingham Nottinghamshire Herbert Smith abt 1879 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Boarder Nottingham Nottinghamshire Nellie Smith abt 1878 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Nottingham Nottinghamshire address ; 8 Lewis Terrace his father is a shoemaker, widowed Thomas JNR is a bricklayer (UN M) -------------------------------------------- 1881 Thomas Daft abt 1879 Nottinghamshire, England Nurse Child Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Mary Wardle abt 1836 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Mary Wardle abt 1868 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Sarah Wardle abt 1873 Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England Thomas Wardle abt 1831 Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England Head Carlton, Carlton, Nottinghamshire, England - interesting! ---------------------------------------------------- hopefully the middle one is yours, will tell mothers name Daft, Thomas 1878 March Births Shardlow Derbyshire Leicestershire Nottinghamshire DAFT, Thomas 1879 March Births Nottingham Nottinghamshire Quarter: March Year: 1879 District: Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 289 DAFT, Thomas William 1879 March Births Shardlow Derbyshire Leicestershire Nottinghamshire ----------------------------------------- Just wondering if their is a DAFT death in same QTR.....

Carole Ann Martin abt 1878 Nottinghamshire, England Sister-in-law Nottingham Nottinghamshire Elizabeth B Ward abt 1880 Nottinghamshire, England Wife Nottingham Nottinghamshire George H Ward abt 1882 Nottinghamshire, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire george occupation =carpenter his wife is a box maker ann is a lace maker They were all living at 18 Albert sq ----------------------------------------------- right dates and names to be sisters (which 1901 suggests) Ann Martin abt 1878 Nottinghamshire, England Daughter 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Elizabeth Martin abt 1881 Nottinghamshire, England Daughter 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Mary Martin abt 1858 Nottinghamshire, England Wife 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England William Martin abt 1855 Barnstaple Head 21 Poplar Square, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England

Hi Jess, Thanks for your generous offer. Could you look on 1861/71 for Robert Woods abt 1852 born Ormskirk Lancashire, living in Salford Lancs in 1881 Also the same using 2 possibilities for his wife Elizabeth Catlin or Elizabeth Warner abt 1855 born Salford Lancs. They were not married until 1878 Waiting in anticipation !! Pauline

Pauline , How iwll taking the two women back ascertain which is his wife - i assume the purpose of the exercise? cant find one - 1861 - with your criteria View Record Robert Woods abt 1852 Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England Brother Church Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Maghull, Lancashire, England Son Lydiate Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1852 Torrisholme, Lancashire, England Son Poulton, Bare and Torrisholme Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Preesall, Lancashire, England Son Preesall with Hackensall Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Preston Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1853 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire View Record Robert Woods abt 1852 Farrington, Lancashire, England Son Walton le Dale Lancashire --------------------------------- 1871 the best i can find is this View Record Ann Hignett abt 1821 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Wife Salford Lancashire View Record Samuel Hignett abt 1819 Whitegate, Cheshire, England Head Salford Lancashire View Record William Scowcill abt 1840 Latchford, Cheshire, England Boarder Salford Lancashire View Record Robert Wood abt 1852 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Son Salford Lancashire

Jess, First, thanks for the info on Robert, as you can probably guess I'm fairly new to doing research, but do you think son means stepson, i.e. the wife' s child considering the surname difference? As to Elizabeth, to be honest I was holding out some hope of a clue if a family was listed (similar christian names to children, grandchildren etc), but no wasn't hoping to confirm which was wife this way, just clue-gathering. Anyway, thanks once again. Pauline

Pauline, your best hope would be to find the bith of one their children with mothers maiden name as their second name. otherwise if you think it is the right marriage for your robert then buy the cert - there will only be one brides name on their Jess

Pauline - having found them in 1881 i can try , bear with me Arthur Woods abt 1880 Salford, Lancashire, England Son 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Woods abt 1855 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Robert Woods abt 1852 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Head 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Robert Woods abt 1879 Salford, Lancashire, England Son 33 Ryall St, Salford, Lancashire, England Do you have the marriage ref please?

Jess You do seem very knowledgeable.I wonder if you've see my thread on records board about the term 'boys on the foundation.' Would welcome comments or help. Thank you so much, Maureen