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Hi Debs There is a Mary Newell also a William John Barratt getting married Dec 1895 Leicester Vol 7a Page 528. Also i think Eli might be the father of Mary as he is a Widower on census Bev

Hi everyone, It's so good to find so many people researching Leicestershire. I have traced my fathers side (Haines) to 1830,where I am now stuck. On the 1861 census they are in Queniborough. Thomas Haines brn circa 1830. I need to get hold of the 1851 and 1841 census or visit the record office in Wigston to go further. Any Tips? as I am new to this game. Where do we get the census's from,how much do they cost? and is anyone as excited as me about all this?? I am visiting Wigston on the 1st Nov to meet a 1st cousin(I didn't know I had!untill contacting GR) and to look at the records office, library etc. I might detour to Quenborough aswell.

Hi Mike & Beverley Thankyou so much for your help, that little lot would have probably taken me a good year or so to work out ! It does look as if Joshua could be the father to Mary Ann & Eliza. Grandma drives me nuts with this side of the tree she insists that Lucy Newell`s mum is Mary Polly Barrett even when I have shown her the birth cert with Mary Newell stated as mum and no dad present, she does say there was something funny went off in the family ( inter-breading maybe ) never to be talked about ! Dont understand how she knows as she didnt come along till 1918 The only solution I could dream up was Mary has taken the Newell name as if she was married ?but couldnt decide which one of the Newell fellas was the father so left it blank, but cant find a birth or marriage for Mary Polly Barrett to any Newell.........??? Mary Newell apparently, died about 1948 in Leicester, so I really need to get to the Leicester Archives so the digging can commence. Thankyou again Debs x

Well spotted Beverly..... I've now amended the returns ....sorry smacked wrist......ouch.....:0( Writes note to myself ..... Must get use to this new screen it's like a wide screen ....lol :0)))) Mind you I don't think Caroline would like being put down as a ' Stone Quarryman' on the 1891 Census returns ? ..ummm But That's what it stated .... MIKE.

Hi Debs and Mike on 1891 where its got Joshua ,Eli as brother in laws with Lucy as Grandaughter they are living with a George and Harriett Hill. There was a Harriett Newell birth 1833 birth Littlethorpe so Harriett is probably there sister. Also on 1871 they are still living with George and Harriett but this time with Mary A as Niece. Eli is a widower so he might be Mary A Father Bev

Greeting's Deborah..... Your ' Mary Newell ' rang bells with me....... So dug out what I found then ..... Mary could have Married by now & changed her name But here is LUCY Newell. :- 1891.Census. RG 12 / 2500 / 47 / Page.17. Village of Littlethorpe. George Hill. Head. Mar. 60. Harriett. Wife. 57. John. Son. 33. William. Son. 27. Stone Quaryman. Caroline. Dau. 24. Ditto ?? Alfred. Son. 21. Ditto. Walter. Son. 17. Ditto. Edith Harriett. Dau. 13. Scholar. Alice daisy. Dau. 8. Ditto. Joshua Newell. Brother. 59. Lab. Eli Newell. Brother. 59. Lab. Eliza. Newell.Grand Daughter. 24. Charwoman. LUCY Newell.Grand Daughter. 7. Scholar. All born Littlethorpe.Leicestershire. 1881. Census.:- Dwelling: Near Fosse Road (Little Thorpe Lodge) Census Place: Cosby, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341746 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3128 Folio 61 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Benjamin J. HAINES M 35 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Farmer (Acres 1 Man) Eleanor HAINES M 37 F Nottingham, England Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife Eleanor L. HAINES 8 F Tur Langton, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary J.T. HAINES 7 F Tur Langton, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Charlotte HAINES 5 F Tur Langton, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Lucy M. HAINES 3 F Leicester, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Margaret M. HAINES 1 F Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Benjamin J. HAINES 2 w M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Son Mary A. NEWELL U 17 F Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv. Here is Joshua Eli & Eliza 1881 Census. :- Dwelling: Narborough Lane Census Place: Cosby, Leicester, England Source: FHL Film 1341746 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3128 Folio 53 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George HILL M 54 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Farm Labourer Harriet HILL M 47 F Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Wife John HILL U 23 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Labourer William HILL U 17 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Farm Labourer Alfred HILL U 11 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Walter HILL 7 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Edith HILL 3 F Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Daur Eli NEWELL W 49 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Farm Labourer Joshua NEWELL U 64 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Labourer General Thomas TEBBUTT U 45 M Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Baker Eliza NEWELL 14 F Littlethorpe, Leicester, England Rel: Niece Occ: Servant 1871. Census.:- RG 10 / 3233 / 50 / Page. 8. Cosby. George Hill. Head. Mar. 42. Gardener. Harriett. Wife. 36. John. Son. 112. Emma. 9. William. Son. 7. Caroline. 4. Alfred. son. 1. Joshua Newell. Brother in Law. Unmar. 45. Ag. Lab. Eli Newell. Brother in Law. WIDOW. 39. MARY. ANN. Newell. Neice. 7. Scholar. Eliza. Newell. 4. Ditto. All Born Littlethorpe Leicestershire. This should give you enough details to hopefully find her Baptism if Mary was Baptised in the Parish Records at Wigston. Good Luck. MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Shelia……. I’ve tracked William back through the Censuses 81,aged 64. 71,Aged. 53. 61.Aged 42. Although ages do go up & down but the Occupation remains the same..Carpenter. And place of birth stated as Unitied States, America. And in 81 has it down as New Yorkshire ? Not sure for the 1851 Census these look interesting…….. Just wonder if the elder William (59) is his Father….. Going on the Occupation ? Or could William have been in the States for this One ? ….. 1851. Census. 2090 / 629 / 32 / 85. 583 629 32 85 LEICESTER TEMPORARY WORKHOUSE INFIRMARY SQ. WILLIAM WHITWORTH PAUP U 47 M LEI LEICESTER 2088 / 354 / 16 / 87. 21 UPPER CHARLES ST WILLIAM WHITWORTH HEAD M 59 M CARPENTER WAR BIRMINGHAM 21 UPPER CHARLES ST MARY WHITWORTH WIFE M 58 F LEI GLENFIELD 21 UPPER CHARLES ST EMELA WHITWORTH DAU U 23 F COTTON WINDER LEI LEICESTER 21 UPPER CHARLES ST LOUISA WHITWORTH DAU U 20 F MILLENER LEI LEICESTER 21 UPPER CHARLES ST JOHN WHITWORTH G'SON 4 M SCHOLAR LEI LEICESTER Ages are a bit out but wonder if this is Williams Burial ? Welford Road Cemetery Names./ Dates./ AGE. / Last known address./ Plot details WHITWORTH WILLIAM 2 OCT 1890 71 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT MARGARET U S 1681 C 66716 My thoughts on the Workmans Home 20 Bedford Street ? I would say it was one step up for the “Work House “ I see that there was several Workhouses One in each of the Parishes St. Margaret’s, St. Mary’s. St. Martin’s, Then they built the Big one On Sparkenhoe Street ( Hill Crest ) And close the others …… Sorry for the delay but I’ve had major PC problems… Like had to have a new Monitor … And the 1st.one did not work after 20 minutes so had to go back & get an exchange …. Grrrr MIKE.

Thankyou both (she says jumping up and down ) Im not very good at finding what I put on is there an easy way ?? Debs

Hi Debs Is this them On 1861 Census 73 Long Street Stoney Stanton Jane head mar 1810 Desford George son 1854 Stoney Stanton John son 1835 Desford Ann daughter 1846 Stoney Stanton RG9/2259 Folio 126 Page 14 On 1871 Census 105 Long Street Stoney Stanton Jane head wid Ann daughter Charles Riley grandson 1850 Stoney Stanton Alfred Tilson grandson 1870 Stoney Stanton Thomas W Tilson grandson 1868 Stoney Stanton Thomas Toone Boarder RG10/3235 Folio 123 Page 17 Bev

Hi Debs Try this one, Bev has recommended it before http://www(.)theyorks.org.uk/enderbyvillage%201.htm remove bracket as usual Elaine

Hi Looking for in Leicester at the moment are Thomas Tillson b, dec 1801 in StonyStanton married to Jane Holyland July 1832 in Desford leicester no addresses or deaths im still looking. They had 3 children George oct 1852 married to Jane Carter(b abt 1855 Northampton) in 1874 St Matthews in St Margarets address I have for George are 22 Chandos St- 39 Bidulp St -89 Guthlaxton St. Sarah bet 1874-1876 ? Bertha Hellen 1884 ? Also Lucy Newell born in the Union Workhouse Enderby b.May 1883 d.1956? Gilrose cemetery married to Richard Tillson Dec 1908 dont know when he died, but planning a visit to Leicester records office soon ! I only have the mother stated on the birth cert. Mary Newell ? I don`t know where to go with her to get any further. Any help would be gratefuly recieved Thankyou Debs

ANother one for you Mike What was the Workmens Home at 20 Bedford Street? My William Whitworth was there in the 1881 census. His son William was living with his Bodycote inlaws at 2 Denmark Street, not too far away. Interestingly William always told the enumerators he was born in America, but the 1881 specifically says New York. Wonder what that was all about? All the best Sheila

Hello Mike. You are a gem you really go out of your way to do look ups for people, thankyou very much for searching for my lot..... That marriage you found was my gt x 2 grandparent's.Louisa Page and Henry Ringrose. My kindest regards to a wonderful man........... Sue.........

Greeting’s Again Donna. Just wonder if Ruth was put down as a Rachel But the Village of birth is right of your lot … = Enderby ? 1851. Census. 2090 / 269 / 11 / 42 Gallowtree – Gate. NICHOLAS MILNE HEAD U 42 M BANK MANAGER SCT ELIZABETH CARPENDALE SERV U 42 F HOUSEKEEPER LEI MELTON MOWBRAY * RACHEL GAMBLE SERV U 23 F HOUSEMAID LEI ENDERBY MIKE.

Thanks Donna and Beverly

Hi all Can someone have a look on 1841/51 census and see if there is a Ruth Gamble . I have her christened at George street primitive methodist on 24th March 1826 (same parents as Job) trying to see if she is with her parents (who would be Edward and Elizabeth) Thanks in advance . warm regards Donna

Hi Also known as Nursling Street on old street names before changing to Grove Street Bev

Hi Angela I have a map of Leicester dated 1907...and there is a Grove street it is off of Bedford street it is not there now Burleys flyover is there now....hope this helps. Donna

Please can anyone help - this is not so much a who but where? I have recently received a B.Cert. which states Reg Dist- Leicester, Sub District -North West Leicester and actual address is given as' back of No6 Grove Street Leicester'. The only Grove St. I can find is in Swadlincote, which is actually in Derbyshire (just outside N.W. Leics Boarder) Would you go for Swadlincote as place of birth or would you assume Grove St. should be Grove Rd (or similar) - and presumably Parish Records for Swadlincote will be in Derby? - knowing my luck!

Greeting's Again M' Duck.... I'll look forward to that meal when I'm in your neck of the Woods then...:0) I continued the search today at the Records Office which was not so far away as last time ....lol :0))) Trawled through :- Willoughby Waterless,Cosby Whetstone, Blaby,Narborough, Enderby & Countesthorpe. But drew a Blank for the Second Marriage in fact I didn't even come across the 1st. one 1872. to Elizabeth.....:0( Just wonder if they were non-conformists ? I did come across Louisa Page ~ Henry John Ringrose's Marriage though......... He was 29. and Louisa was 23. Louisa's Father was William Page (grazer) Whetstone. Henry's Father was John Ringrose. (Grazer).in Countesthorpe. Both Henry & Louisa signed by they own signature and both Fathers were the Wittness..... MIKE. xxx