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Seasonal Greeting's Again Elaine..... There you Go........ St. Margaret's Parish Church. Entry No.261, DEC 22, 1839, after Banns JOHN COOK, Minor, Bach. FWK, of PIKE St, s. of JAMES COOK, FWK ELIZABETH WHITWELL, Full age, Sp. FWK, of PIKE St, d. of SAMUEL WHITWELL, FWK Wits: WILLIAM MOWBRAY, MARY COOK Anybody who knows of any cause or impediment why this should not be the right one..... ' Ye are to declare it '.........

Mike thank you very much, one to keep for my records ho ho ho Elaine

Are you sure ? You realize it's the other side of the tracks to you know where ...lol.

Hi Mike, I'm looking for Thomas Read(Reed) born 1841 Leicestershire - St Margarets. Most grateful for any help Cherry

Hi Cherry Have found 1 John Thomas Read 1851 but c 1843 mother Caroline, she is born St Margarets and he is down as St Mary's, nothing for a Thomas Read or Reed exactly 1841 Does anything sound right and I will check later census returns Elaine

Hi Elaine I've been stupid enough not to refer to the 1881 Census a rellie sent me! He's described as John T Reed in that one, birthplace Leicester aged 40. Thank you very much for your time and patience, I'm oh so new to all of this and long for the day when I can be as adept as folks like you, if ever! Cherry

Hi Cherry Do you need anymore help with him? I'm always learning and still make silly mistakes!!! If you need any help in Leicester, there are plenty of kind people here and the tips board is always worth checking, good luck Elaine

Greeting’s & Welcome Cherry… Please don’t feel bad about a slight slip up…… Just like Elaine has said we all have our moments …..lol :0))) Here is the transcript of that 1851. Census HO 107 / 2090 / 729 / Page. 12. Leicester. St. Mary’s Parish. Red Cross Street. REDCROSS ST THOMAS READ HEAD M 30 M ENGINE DRIVER LEI LUTTERWORTH REDCROSS ST CAROLINE READ WIFE M 27 F LEI SMGT REDCROSS ST JOHN THOMAS READ SON 8 M SCHOLAR LEI SMRY REDCROSS ST PATIENCE READ DAU 1 F LEI SMRY SMRY = St. Mary De Castro Parish. SMGT. = St. Margaret's Parish. Here is what looks very much like John & Caroline’s Marriage…? St. Margaret’s Parish Church :- Entry No.162, AUG 1, 1841, after Banns THOS. READ, full age, Bach. ENGINEER, of WOODBOY St, s. of JOHN READ, CARPENTER. CAROLINE BREEDON, minor, Sp. of BRITANNIA St, d. of JOSEPH BREEDON, BOATMAN Wits: WM. BREEDON, ELIZTH. BANN? I’ve had a look at Woodboy Street on the 1841 Census Images but they were not there….:0((( Better results on the Breedon side of the Family though……. 1841. Census Images HO 107 / 604 / 13 / Page. 23. St. Margaret’s Parish. Britannia Street. Joseph Breedon.70. Boatman. N. Mary. Wife. 60. Y. CAROLINE. Dau. 15. Y. George. Son. 15.Y. N. = Not Born within the County. Y. = Yes Born within the County. Don’t forget that on this Census The ages of those over 15 Were rounded DOWN To the nearest multiple of 5 e.g. 17.. = 15. Page 16. Britannia Street. William Breedon. 30. Boatman. Y Sarah. Wife. 25. Y. I think this is the William that was a Witness to Thomas & Caroline Marriage ? MIKE……

Just moving this up Cherry in case you missed the reply Elaine

Hi Mike I wondered if you could look another marriage up for me, have an Elizabeth Moore marrying John Sutton 5 November 1827 Nailstone via some info I received. Can you give me anything to go on as I need to know her father's name if poss. I have another Elizabeth Moore in the family too and both of these girls are born in 1809, so trying to work out which married who what when etc Father names that might come up are George and Samuel. Thank you as ever Elaine

Seasonal Greeting's Elaine....... Using the resources to hand ... I Can CONFIRM that marriage John Sutton. ~ Elizabeth Moore. 5th. Nov. 1827 Nailstone. By Banns. But no mention of Parents names..:0(((( There is another Marriage in Bagworth ( Which is 3.1 Miles from Nailstone ) Elizabeth Moore. ~ Joseph Reily. 8th. Oct. 1827. Bagworth. By Banns. But again No mention of Parents ...:o(((( This could be the other Elizabeth Moore ? Do you want me to cast my eyes over these Marriages when I'm at Wigston Records Office sometime next week ? and just hope one of the Parents was a witt's..... Did you see that one of Cherry's relatives was a Boatman just wonder if they knew your Thomas & Hannah ? and where the flipping heck they were in 1851. ?...lol :0))))

Oh, I'm so sorry Elaine, Mike - I went off on a little journey hoping that I could come back and say 'Yup that's the one!' What 'worries' me is that on the 1891 & 1891 Censuses he's described as being born Leicestershire - St Margarets. His age in 1881 is given as 40. The John Thomas Reed Mike's so kindly offered up would have been round about the 38 mark on the 1881 Census and the district is Leicester St Mary De Castro Parish. I spent yonks reading through the tips board and found reference to the Hugh Wallis website so I had a look at that for Leicester and found zilch for my John Thomas! I then abandoned my search for John Thomas, thinking that tomorrow might be a luckier day and turned to his daughter, my Grandma's husband's family, only to discover that an Uncle had been killed in the First World War. That was quite a poignant moment to see the inscription on the stone and I didn't even know the guy! It's probably very necessary for me to pay attention to one thing at a time don't you think! To crown it all I was reorganising my paper files and our young kitten decided to help out when my back was turned. It'll take me a month of Sundays to put it all back together! Despite my tribulations I'm very appreciative of your help and will report back as soon as I dry the tears and get on with it lol!

Greeting's Again Cherry...... I do hope you are feeling better ...... Don't worry too much the ages don't always match up precisely from census to Census ...... Now..... We are here to help you....... So... In order to narrow it down ... Can you tell me what Occupation John Thomas has on your finding's ? I have tracked John T Read ( Parents Thomas & Caroline ) through Censuses 51, ( See post ) 61, aged 16 Labourer born St. Mary's In 71 He is aged 28. a Stoker ( Factory) Born Leicester. & married To a Sarah A. aged 25. On the 81 census ( Both through my Disks & via the Nett ) I can only find the following :- JOHN READ 41. Traveler in Boot & Shoe Trade. Born just Leicester. Wife. just as S. A. Or JOHN READ 38. Shoe Maker. born St. Mary's. Married to a Elizabeth. born All Saints Leicester. Best tell your Kitten to...... ' Paws for thoughts' next time ..lol.... :0)))) Look forward to your next message ..... MIKE.

Hi everyone, If anyone is going to the record office please can they help? My great grandfather George Dagley brn 1883 does not appear on ancestry for the 1891 or 1881 census. In 1882 he married Ellen Jones,so in 1892 he should be listed as having 2 children - Laura and Frederick. I have seen the record for 1881 but he is not living with his parents. He would around 18. Did they do any military service at this time?? Very confused!!! Trudi

Hi Mike I think we must be related somewhere along the line, you read my mind about the boatman and knowing my lot. Yes please would appreciate you looking at the records office for me. Have seen a thread about Banns Registers. Do you know if St Margs would have one at the records office? might be the only way I am going to find where Thomas and Hannah were born . Thanks as always Elaine

Hi again Mike! Kitten's given up on genealogy and resumed his original hobby of knocking seven bells out of the older cat,lol I've given him 'paws for thoughts' and clipped his claws, that'll give him a little less purchase on my paperwork and hopefully the Sunday papers too! Well........... my elusive (John) Thomas Reed/Read, (why oh why couldn't he have been a Montague Scrutton Mawdesley or summat?) The info which I know to be 100% is:- 1881 Census Occupation : Army Pensioner Laundryman (Leicestershire - St Margarets) (wife not listed but was poss having one of the kids?) he married a widow Laura Eliza Donnelly nee Blaver in Bengal 1875 As he was 34 when they married and Laura brought her two girls Laura and Adelaide (both born in India) into the household I did wonder whether he too had been married previously but perhaps he was just a late starter for those days,lol 1891 Census Occupation Laundryman (Leicestershire - St Margarets) Wife Louisa E Read Hmm... wonder whether his parents were in the laundry business too, perhaps they lived in shed off the beaten track and escaped the census. Many thanks again for your time and trouble Cherry

Hi all Just found this and the site has various records, all Quorn if you are looking for rels there http://www(.)quorndon-mag(.)org.uk/archive/_genealogy/genealogy.html remove brackets as ever Elaine

Trudi, 1891: Barwell, Mill st DAYLEY George , 36 DAYLEY Ellen 36 DAYLEY Frederick G 8 DAYLEY Laura E 5

Greeting's & Welcome Trudi....... Jane has beat me to it ( How's you didding M'Duck ? ) You'll find your George on the 1891. Census Indexed as George DAYLEY. :- Ref No. :- RG 12 / 2505 / 40 / Pages 27 ~ 28. Although on my Index Disk For 1891. from Leicester & Rutland Family History Society He is Down as DAGLEY..... And thanks to Elaine....... You'll find your George on the 1901 Census :- RG 13 / 2964 / 55 / Pages 21. ~ 22. Yes in 1881 The BOAR WAR was going on So George could well be abroad for that Census... MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Cherry, Thank you for your message re:- Censuses.... UPDATE….. Births Found :- April. ~ May. ~ Jun. Qrt. 1840. JOHN READ.. Leicester. Cert No. XV. 130. Also from the Overseas Army Births :- MINNIE READ.. Bengal India. 1881. Page. 115. ( This might answer why John’s wife was not on the 1881. Census. ? ) Going on the John's Birth details found above. Now looking at this John for 1851. Census. ( Census night = Sunday 1st.April. 1851. ) 1851. Census. HO 107 / 2089 / 527 /Page. 27 LEICESTER. St. Margaret’s Parish. No. 10, Berkley Street. 10 BERKLEY ST WILLIAM READ HEAD M 48 M AG. LAB LEI EARL SHILTON 10 BERKLEY ST JANE READ WIFE M 47 F LEI EAST WITON? 10 BERKLEY ST FRANCIS READ SON U 19 M TRIMMER LEI FRIARS 10 BERKLEY ST ELIZABETH READ DAU U 17 F TICKETER OF COTTON BOBBINS LEI LEICESTER 10 BERKLEY ST SARAH READ DAU 14 F LEI LEICESTER 10 BERKLEY ST THOMAS READ SON 13 M TRIMMER LEI LEICESTER 10 BERKLEY ST GEORGE READ SON 11 M PREPARER FOR STAMPING LEI ALST 10 BERKLEY ST * JOHN READ * SON 9 M SCHOLAR LEI SMGT 10 BERKLEY ST ANN READ DAU 6 F SCHOLAR LEI SMGT 10 BERKLEY ST WILLIAM READ SON 4MTHS M LEI SMGT ALST. = All Saints Parish. SMGT. = St. Margaret’s Parish.(Which matches the Parish given on other Censuses.81,91. ) MIKE.