Genealogy Chat

Hi Dawn, I have their marriage certificate from scotlands people, if you send me your email addy I will send you the image. Arthur Hay David Fraser married Lucy Jane Ferguson on 9/11/1877 in Ayr. Arthur was a captain in the scots guards and his parents were Alexander Fraser Lord Saltoun, Philorth Castle and Charlotte Evans. Lucy's parents were Robert Duncan Ferguson formerly of the Rifles Brigade and Helen Blackburn (deceased). According to the IGI both their children were born in Scotland? 1. Helen Charlotte Isobel Fraser - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1879 Of Philorth, , Aberdeen, Scotland 2. Marjory Lucy Kathleen Fraser - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1881 Of Philorth, , Aberdeen, Scotland Georgina.

Thanks Lemon.

The only way to do it then is Scotlands People Dawn, just log that in and it will come up and you can see if you think it is worth it. Scottish census and BMD only on this site. But it may be worth listing what and when you want, as it is a credits system. If you get it right first time not expensive. Scottish BMD also tell you parents names on birth, so may be worth it. Good luck and if I can think of anything else will get in touch xxxx

Nelly Dame Helen is the sister of dads godmother. So he really wants to know about her sister and more about her father and mother and this Aristocratic family that they were? Does that make sense? Are the birth /marriage records for Scotlands on 1847 or is that just England? And what about census are there seperate ones for Scotland.? Sorry being really thick I know.

Dawn the Royal Scots Guard , were previously called The Grenadier Guard, then 3rd foot battalion, they only became Scots Guard in 1877 renamed by Queen Victoria. There is a web you could try for enquiries royalscotarchive*@aol.com When I found nothing on Dame Helen, tried approaching from her husbands side. not sure if this is any help. If you think I may be able to get more, let me know. I am having trouble with my outlook express server, so can't enquire at source I was going to xxxx

Thanks Lemon

Will see if I can find anything Dawn x

Lemon don't know if its a help or not but Nan had their mother as Mrs Hay-Newton and thats the name that is on the document about Isle of Wight. Don't know if she remarried or was her maiden name. all very confusing.

I just wondered if she had a Perthshire birth. Will think about this as may know someone who can help

Lemon from the bit off google I have she went to Cheltenham Ladies College, then Kings College. Became Lecturer at Birkbeck College. She joined Red Cross in WW1 when hubby died in 1915 she went back to voluntary war work. She was in the WAAc and royal air force as was her sister Lucy Pratt-Barlow (dads godmother) . From what dad has said my gt nan and nan were in service with her mother and Lucy Pratt Barlow and were in 1933 in Grosvenor Crescent, London. Bit dad is really interested in is the Fraser clan as that is who he is named after and has something of Captain Arthur Frasers as a momento. I can't find a marriage for Arthur Fraser and Lucy Jane ? . And can't find on census in England before 1881 or after then?

Dawn have you any idea where Dame Helen lived?

Sorry I disappeared oldest kicked me off. Val will try that. Georgina what I have so far is:- can find them on the 1881 census in England living in Sunninghall, Berkshire. Arthur H.D. Fraser c 1853 Newcastle Late Captain Lucy Jane Fraser c 1855 Scotland Helen Charlotte Fraser c 1879 Chelsea (became Dame Helen Gwynne-Vaughan) Lucy M.K.Fraser c 1881 Berkshire (Married Edward Pratt-Barlow) Arthur we think was a Captain in the Scotts Guards. From a write up on Dame Helen she was came from a Scottish Aristocratic family. Hope that helps dawn

Dawn you need to give us a bit more info. When was he born, have you found him on any census's and what was his wife's name. Do you know of any children they had? Georgina.

If you go on scotlandspeople it is £6 for 30 credits it may help

Thanks Anne fraid not a unual name Arthur. Might help he was a Captain in Scotts gurds though. Thanks again

I have been looking unsuccessfully for Fraser's (husband family) in Scotland. If you google Fraser you can get the Fraser clan web site but it is not much help as all Fraser's claim to be related. They do have a message board and it may be worth leaving a trying to find message. An unusual first name would help. We have three generations of William Fraser.

Where do I start. Have a wife born in Scotland but by 1881 are down here in Berkshire Husband dorn in Newcastle? but a captain in Scotts Guards. Right up on daughter says born into Scottish Aristocratic family. Fathers surname Fraser Where do I start please