Genealogy Chat

Just found out my Dad is probably the result of an affair-apparently his real father ran a shop or business called Dady potato Merchants-probably in Gateshead-where on earth do I look for that-both my Dad and Grandad were called David Irwin-Mother Ellen Gillott-what a can of worms i HAVE OPENED HERE!

Depending on when your father was born, perhaps you can look in a trade directory for the business. Or if it's not too long ago, have you tried the yellow pages? Maybe its still in existance. When you say both your dad and grandad were David Irwin, do you mean your dad's real dad? Or the one he belived to be his father? Do you have your dads birth certificate and if so, is there a father named? Who is it? If it isn't the man your grandmother is alleged to have had the affair with, I don;t see how you could prove it. Sam x

Dad is registered as being born to David Irwin and Ellen Gillott-1916-but as I said just been told otherwise, I know Granma was a -do not know what to name it as- but it feels strange-if it is true-Dad had to live with that-I can only find one child registered to his parents, and it is not him! It was a sister who died when she was eight-must send for her death cert. as she died 6th nOV, and Dad always acted strange on bonfire night-might have something to do with it-anyway thanks for your input. Guess it will remain a mystery forever!

Oh Gillian, please don't be so quick to condemn your Gran, you do not know the circumstances or indeed if it's true. No matter what your dad legally is your grandad's child, because of the birth certificate. Some thing's are best left. Not wishing to cause any offence Regards Sam

Would never condemn my Gran, but within four months of my Grandad dying, she was pregnant, and my Dad suddenly found a new man sitting in his Dad's chair, but I know things happen-that is life - but I feel sad that my Dad knew his circumstances - and being the oldest living family member tried to be the breadwinner at 12 years old- but as I say - that is life - would just like to know the facts- Gillian - excuse my spelling but been making hallowen costumes all night - sore, tired and sick of sewing machines - but for the grand children- love them!

I had/have a similar situ. I have strong, but circumstantial, evidence that my father was not the chap on my birth certificate and I was the result of my mum's affair with a grocery delivery man. I cannot prove it, but have met ( I believe) my half sister - his legitimate child. All parents are now dead. She ( the half sister) has agreed to do a dna test- but it seems that the test is not very reliable in proving father to daughter relationships. Maybe you could go down this road if you have any possible full or half siblings? Best Wishes -Rosi

Not that many Dady's in the right part of the country. In 1901 this family stand out, because they are all fruiterers! Wouldn't take much to transfer to potatoes?!! David Dady abt 1875 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Byker Northumberland Elizabeth Dady abt 1845 Great Yarmouth, Northumberland, England Wife Byker Northumberland Harry Dady abt 1845 Blakeney, Northumberland, England Head Byker Northumberland Harry Dady abt 1871 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Byker Northumberland Herbert Dady abt 1878 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Byker Northumberland William Dady abt 1873 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Son Byker Northumberland William Dady abt 1895 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Grandson Byker Northumberland Son Herbert, above, is married, but his wife is with her parents - probably because she has recently had a baby: Dady Infant abt 1899 Low Fell, Durham, England Granddaughter Lamesley Durham Wife of Herbert>>>>>Elizabeth F Dady abt 1879 Newcastle Upon Tyne Daughter Lamesley Durham John H Dady abt 1900 Newcastle Upon Tyne Grandson Lamesley Durham Elizabeth Mitcheson abt 1850 Gateshead, Durham, England Wife Lamesley Durham John Mitcheson abt 1850 Windy Nook, Durham, England Head Lamesley Durham John Mitcheson abt 1877 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son Lamesley Durham The infant looks as if he is two years on the index, but he is two days on the census. Merry

What was your grandmother's maiden name? Your dad might be registered under that.

Date of his birth-ie at least the year.=1916 Name of prospective birth fathers Business=Dadys Area = Gateshead Grans maiden name=Gillott Birth ref= AMJ 1916 10a 1971 Gateshead,registered as david irwin,parents surnames Irwin and Gillott. Not sure as to what youve been looking for so far. Have you a year for when Mr Dady showed up ,approx.?

Quote : 1) ''Dad is registered as being born to David Irwin and Ellen Gillott-1916'' Q How do you know who he is registered to if you cant find his birth reg? ------------------------------------------ 2)''just been told otherwise,'' Q - by whom at for what reason ? ___________________________________________ What are you trying to prove (or see) here?for 90 years you have believed ,or it has been believed, that he was the son of that union. Suddenly 90 years on - and if your dad had belived that for 90 years, why change it now? All you have is supposition! I can understand your interest if YOU were born in say 1960 and had been led to believe something similar about yourself, that it would be worth your while looking, but when neither party are still alive (maybe your dad is) but no way is HIS father going to be, I cannot see quite what your point is . I dont mean to sound harsh, but i do not understand. Jess x

I am confused!! (nothing new there!!) I thought you had your dad's birth cert, but were curious to know if there was any evidence for a potato merchant named Dady who might have been his biological father. So I posted that possible family, for curiosity's sake only..........you probably could never know who was the bipological father from the Dady family (as there are several men!), and it's only a rumour in any case....... Now I realise you seem in part to be saying you can only find a birth reg for you dad's sister who died aged 8. On Family Relatives there are three matches for births of children surname Irwin, mother's maiden name Gillott, between 1912 and 1920. One of those is in 1916...... So, I would have expected one to be your dad, one to be his sister and the other....... another sibling??? Confused..... Merry

Update - your dad's cert is Q2 1916. Sorry I don't have any units to get the ref. (am still unsure as to whether you have it, too) Merry

Gillian, perhaps focus on the birth of the 3rd sibling that you diidnt know existed , if you want to investigate a mystery! At least it is tangiable. ----------------------- Morning Merry Morning Alter Merry, Alter has found it above ^ .......unless you read threads 'latest reply first' in which case its T'other way! Jess x .... giggling....

Ive had to read this 3 times- I think this is the scenario......... David Irwin (granpa) and Ellen Gillott(granma) have 3 kids 1913 Doris V. 1916 David 1920 stanley Granpa dies 1928,David is 12,sister must have already died in 1921 (OND 1921,aged 8 Gateshead-10a 1009) 1929-Mr Dady comes along to family of Granma David 12 Stanley 8 Question= who's the Dady naaaaaaaa??

So Alter , have you drawn the conclusion that MR Dady is the daddy of No 4? I though he was the supposd daddy of No 2,. Wonder who was the man that came and sat in the chair?You think it was the Dady supposed Daddy of David?

ancestry has bucket loads of Irwins bron gatehead 1900+/-10,,not quite late enough...Grrr off out, back later

All i can think is that david was conceived during the war,and that the bio dad showed up once granpa had passed away in c 1928.

Heres a contact for lookups in gateshead-hopefully they have some sort of trade or street directory,year dated. Contact Eileen Carnaffin,local studies librarian central library Prince consort road gateshead tyne & wear NE 8 4LN Tel.0191 477 3478 or email local(AT)gateslib(.)demon(.)co(.)uk = remove brackets and sub at etc.

Cant find a death for David irwin senior-ive looked on war graves site,1837 around 1915/16 and 1928/29- confused-when did he die then?

Quite unusual for the bio father to hang around for 12 years and then still be interested though??? Yes, when DID David senr die??????????? Is the strange man in grampa's chair the potato merchant, or someone else though.......???I don't cope well with these cryptic threads!! LOL Reminds me of Benny Hill and Ernie........And he drove the fastest potato cart in the west..........!! Maybe he did regular deliveries? Anyway.....I would still treat David Irvin as the dad......he did all the bringing up, for as long as he could, and we can't say he isn't the bio father for certain, unless we can find something in his war record to prove otherwise. (assuming he was in WW1). There are 10 medal cards for a David Irvin, two have middle names, leaving 8 to choose from if he didn't have a middle name. If we could work out his medal number, there's a 70% chance of his service record being at Kew in the Burnt Records films.......... Merry