Genealogy Chat

Not yet, I just saw your 'Find me something to do' message :) It does seem weird that if you do a search on Ancestry for 'Elizabeth Steyich' or 'Steyich' for that matter all that comes up is her marriage. Matthew Ps I love speculation :)

Thanks Very much Jess. That is definatly them. Eliza's death was only a possibility as well. I can save money on ordering that cert now thanks. There daughter Eliza Jane married a Taylor . Thanks again Julie Just realized the wife you found was Mary not Eliza (I must start reading things properly first time lol). So maybe her death is correct after all. Either he had remarried to Mary or Eliza had a middle name Mary and decided to use that. Off to look at marriages now :-)

Matthew, i havent even look at yours yet, give me a moment... right 1881 Newport and her married. Elizabeth Smith abt 1853 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Wife 4 Barkers Buildings Camp St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth Smith abt 1876 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter 4 Barkers Buildings Camp St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Ellen Smith abt 1880 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter 4 Barkers Buildings Camp St, Aston, Warwickshire, England Newport Smith abt 1848 Perry Barr, Staffordshire, England Head 4 Barkers Buildings Camp St, Aston, Warwickshire, England ------------------------------------------- do yopu have the cert for the marriage - do you know her fathers name , otherwise its pure speculation

Is seums my spilling is a littl of tonite

But, I cab find no trace of her, even

julie - i hate to say it but....i think something has gone a bit cockeyed in your research. i think i have found him in 1891 the image looks like Preen and he is a miller View Record Green, Alfred abt 1827 Kingstanley, Gloucestershire, England Head South Hamlet Gloucestershire but look who is with him! View Record Green, Mary abt 1851 Dursley, Gloucestershire, England Wife South Hamlet Gloucestershire also grandchild with them Walter H Taylor aged 8 - a scholar address 7 Bath Place Source information: RG12/2015 folio 136 page 36 Registration district: Gloucester Sub registration district: South Hamlet ED, institution, or vessel: 9 GSU Number: 6097125

If you're bored have a go at this: My gt gt grandfather Newport Smith married Name:Steyich, Elizabeth Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1874 District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire Staffordshire West Midlands Volume: 6b Page: 720 (click to see others on page) Buy I find no trace of her. Good Luck :)

Hi Jess I wonder if you could help find ALFRED PREEN baptised Kings Stanley Gloucestershire 1825. In the 1891 census. This is him in 1881 1829 Alfred PREEN Head M 52 King Stanley, Hereford, England Miller 1831 Eliza PREEN Wife M 50 Dudley( should be Dursley) Wife Of Miller 1853 George PREEN Son W 28 Gloucester, England Miller 1861 Frank PREEN Son U 20 Blakeney, Gloucester, England Com Labr (Miller) 1864 Sarah PREEN Daur U 17 Blakeney, Gloucester, England Daur Of Miller 1866 Rose PREEN Daur 15 Blakeney, Gloucester, England Scholar Source Information: Dwelling Up Redbrook Census Place Newland, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1342258 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5223 / 77 Page Number 3 I have a possible death for him Gloucester Dec 1894 6a-179 age 69 His wife Eliza died in 1881 so will not be with her. I have all the census's for him back to 1841 apart from this 1891 one. He has moved around quite a lot but always in Gloucestershire up till now. Thanks Julie

June have you found them anywhere ? i cant seem to find them at all as a start point. where do they fit in your tree ?- it might help

isobel 1881 for ref - although you know she was an armstrong pre marriage,what was her fathers name please? John F. Donaldson abt 1873 Maryport, Cumberland, England Son 52 Church St, Crosscanonby, Cumberland, England Margaret Donaldson abt 1836 Blenerasset, Cumberland, England Head 52 Church St, Crosscanonby, Cumberland, England Margaret Donaldson abt 1866 Maryport, Cumberland, England Daughter 52 Church St, Crosscanonby, Cumberland, England Robert Donaldson abt 1871 Maryport, Cumberland, England Son 52 Church St, Crosscanonby, ------------------------------------ 1871 Margaret Donaldson abt 1835 Maryport, Cumberland, England Wife Crosscanonby Cumberland Margaret Donaldson abt 1866 Maryport, Cumberland, England Daughter Crosscanonby Cumberland Robert Donaldson abt 1870 Maryport, Cumberland, England Son Crosscanonby Cumberland address 20 Eagles Field (Eagles something!) she IS married and decribed as a sailors wife.

Thanks Jess, that looks like them. William married Mary but his parents were William and Sarah.

Jess look up please 1871 to 1901 census Cairns family in Liverpool John aprox 1829 margaret 1826 John 1852 william 1854 Ruth 1856 Catherine 1850 . If you can occupations, i don,t know the address sorry.

Hi Jess Thankyou for your reply. I am fairly sure that the 1861 and 1891 census are the same family. They married in Cheltenham and he was working for GWR Their first child, John Joseph was born in Cheltenham 1854 In the 1861 census John Joseph was shown as Joseph and he was living with his maternal grandmother in Painswick Gloucestershire. In the 1861 census, George Carter was working as an engineman on the Cheltenham and Gloucester railway. The Elizabeth Carter shown in Waltham Cross is a possible as John Joseph married a girl from Hertfordshire and was in Hertfordshire in the 1881 census. George and Eliza were also in Hertfordshire by the 1891 census. hope that makes sense. regards Tricia

Tricia G That is a big gap. Are you sure they are the same couple? did they have children? 1891 for Ref Carter, Eliza abt 1829 Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Wife Layston Hertfordshire Carter, Elizabeth A abt 1875 St Margarets, Hertfordshire, England Granddaughter Layston Hertfordshire Carter, George abt 1833 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Layston Hertfordshire address: London Rd, Layston ---------------------------- 1861 In Devon! Eliza Carter abt 1831 Painswick, Gloucestershire, England Wife Exeter St David Devon Elizabeth A Carter abt 1856 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Exeter St David Devon George Carter abt 1833 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Exeter St David Devon ------------------------------------------ pssibly Elizabeth in 1871 >>View Record Elizabeth Carter abt 1855 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Servant Waltham Cross Middlesex View Record Elizabeth Walker abt 1843 India Daughter Waltham Cross Middlesex View Record Georgiana Walker abt 1812 London, England Head Waltham Cross Middlesex View Record Georgiana C Walker abt 1839 India Daughter Waltham Cross Middlesex

janet will have to feel around a bit - he isn't obvious I cant find his marriage either- do you have any children born to them , certs will tell mothers maiden name 1881 for ref: Caroline Honeyman abt 1870 St Johns, Surrey, England Daughter 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England Emma Honeyman abt 1830 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Wife 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England George Honeyman abt 1866 St Johns, Surrey, England Son 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England >>Henry Honeyman abt 1868 St Johns, Surrey, England Son 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England John Honeyman abt 1830 St Johns, Surrey, England Head 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England John Honeyman abt 1860 St Johns, Surrey, England Son 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England Joseph Honeyman abt 1870 St Johns, Surrey, England Son 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England Thomas Honeyman abt 1864 St Johns, Surrey, England Son 34 Flockton St, Bermondsey, London, England -------------------------------------------- only two children left at home in 1891 Honeyman, Carolina A abt 1871 Bermondsey, London, England Daughter Bermondsey London Honeyman, Emma abt 1834 Bermondsey, London, England Wife Bermondsey London Honeyman, John abt 1833 Bermondsey, London, England Head Bermondsey London Honeyman, Joseph J abt 1871 Bermondsey, London, England Son Bermondsey London

Lunar. 1891 maybe Tournay, Jessie abt 1884 Hackney, London, England Daughter Hackney London Tournay, Mary A S abt 1850 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Wife Hackney London Tournay, William abt 1849 Hounslow, Middlesex, England Head Hackney London william is a solicitors clerk ----------------------------- if so, 1901 Jessie Tournay abt 1882 Hackney, London, England Daughter Hackney London Mary A S Tournay abt 1850 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Wife Hackney London Sarah Tournay abt 1819 Chatham, Kent, England Mother Hackney London William Tournay abt 1821 Margate, Kent, England Father Hackney London William Tournay abt 1851 Homerton, Middlesex, England Head Hackney London still a clerk to a solicitor. his mother has crept in there - was she called mary?

If you are still awake and up for it? Margaret Donaldson nee Armstrong born Blenerasset and living at 52 Church Street, Crosscanonby, Cumberland at the time of the 1881 census. Would like to know where she was (and who she was) before 1881. Thanks Isabel Another insomniac looking forward to warmer weather and longer and lighter days so I can crawl out from under the covers and do something constructive!

Hi Jess Thank you for your kind offer. I have been trying to find the following couple for ages. I have them in 1861. 1891 and 1901 but I cannot find them in 1871 and 1881. they are: George Carter...born 1833 Cheltenham Gloucestershire and Eliza Carter...born 1831 Painswick Gloucestershire. I am sure they were not beamed up by aliens but can't imagine where they could have been hiding during these two census. many thanks Tricia

Many Thanks Jess Hope you can search 1871 as well. Mickt

Jess, If you could find Henry Honeyman on 1891 I'd be so grateful. On 1881 he is living with his family: John Honeyman Aged 51 Born St Johns Surrey Emma Honeyman Aged 51 Born Bermondsey Surrey plus various brothers and sister - Henry aged 13 On 1901 he is with wife Emily but I cannot pin him down in 1891. Dont know the marriage date either. Thanks for trying, Janet