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*** F.A.O. Donna. *** There you Go...... 1841. Census Image, HO 107 / 594. / 21. / Page. 14. The Hundred of Goscote West. Parish of Coleorton. Coleorton Moor. Richard Williamson. 25. Ag. Lab. Mary. Wife. 25. Jane. Dau. 2. Sarah. Dau. 11 Months Old. All born within the County. Don't forget ages over 15 were rounded DOWN to nearest muliable of Five on this Census The closest death for a Joseph Williamson is has follows :- Place. / Names./ Dates. / Age. WHITWICK ST. JOHN WILLIAMSON JOSEPH 19 AUG 1834. 41 The age is right going on the dates you have given and Whitwick is not that far from Coleorton./ Swanington. MIKE.

Hi Mike I didnt tell you my bet for the name for the father of Thomas i had seen the name Sampson and was hoping it was that as it is another unusual name but i would of been out of pocket too...lol...thank you for all the info yet again and thanks also for getting your friend Paul involved...only 20 minutes a day on his internet poor thing , dont know where id be without it...once again you have out done yourself and i am very appreciative adding your new info on now . Donna

Would anyone have time to look up a marriage entry for me? The person I'm interested in is Ortraymer (aka Ort Raymur or Orfraymuir) Brewin - his name seems to have defeated most of the transcribers :-) Born Leicester 1853, parents Francis Warren Brewin and Virtue Steel, married Leicester 1875, butcher. According to the 1881 census his wife was called Belle, but I haven't managed to identify her so far. There are only 3 names on his marriage entry page, and the other two seem to have married each other. The only likely candidate I've found, who appears on a page by herself in the September quarter of 1875, is Arabella Simkin, but the censuses don't confirm it. According to the 1881 census, Belle Brewin was born in Newtown Linford c1855, but I haven't found anyone with a similar name by searching for all Newtown Linford births on the IGI site. I should love to know where Ortraymer's name comes from. There's nothing of the kind in his mother's family, which I've traced back quite a long way, but his nephew Thomas Mallet had the middle name Ort-Raymur, and there's also a James Ort-Raymur Smith, who's presumably related to the family somehow. Ortraymer's father Francis Warren Brewin was born in Leicester c1827 and died in 1887 (the same year as Ortraymer - was there a war on?). I can't find his birth entry to discover who his parents were. I can't find him in the 1881 census either; a Frank Brewin, married, butcher, was lodging at the Foundry Arms, Belgrave Gate, Leicester, but his age is given as 50, which doesn't match. At the time of that census, Francis' wife Virtue was staying with her son-in-law, whose wife had just died, and is shown as married, housekeeper. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Mary

*** F.A.O. Donna. *** Greeting’s Again Donna….. Following my visit to the Records Office this afternoon Here are the details found Baptism for St. Peter & Paul. Parish Church Wing. Rutland. :- Page 6. Entry No. 43. 6th Day of June. 1818. Thomas Son of Joseph & Martha Bagley. Father’s Occupation = Labourer. Place of birth = Wing. John Dashwood. Rector. Of Wing. So I lost my bet then….:0/ (Thought it would be a William ) Marriage found.:- St. Peter & Paul Parish Church Wing. Rutland. Page. 3. Entry. 9. Joseph Bagley Bachelor of this Parish. Martha Barfield. Window of this Parish. Following Banns. This Twenty Sixth Day of January In the year of our Lord. One Thousand Eight Hundred & Eighteen. By me = Henry Shield. Rector of PRESTON in Rutland. Both Joseph & Martha signed by their Marks = + Wit’s :- Elizabeth Rose. Mary Franks. I have not found anymore details for Joseph & Martha on 1851. Census. or within the Wing Burials But I have updated Paul of the above details. Paul has Found a Thomas Bagley aged 20. a Male servant within Wing on the 1841.Census. Full details hopefully by the weekend Paul is a serving Naval Officer who is away at Sea Till the weekend so has not got all his disks with him And he can only use PC for 20 minutes per day … Oh….. I did try and find a Baptism for that Thomas Bond Bagley Who’s burial I found aged 16 months But drew a blank not within the years 1886 ~ 1890. But seeing the Baptisms for other Bagley’s Who have two Posh christen names the Parents could be a Arthur & Alice Bagley ? But I an’t putting any money on this one….. this time …lol :0))) I’ll have a look for your other look up ( Williamson’s )… latter on And get back to you ….. MIKE.

Hi Mike By the way matched a few of the bagleys you found thank you Donna

Hi all Me again after another 1841 lookup if possible still Leicestershire but Coleorton...i have traced through census to 1851 and found Richard Williamson on all but would like to see what he is upto in 1841 details i have are Richard Williamson circa 1813 born Coleorton , Mary Williamson circa 1811 born Swannington (wife) and 2 daughters Jane circa 1839 and Sarah 1840 both born Swannington (well previous census says so) also Joseph Williamson Circa 1793 Coleorton this one is on IGI and says he is Richards Father but i cant find him on 1851 census so am thinking he had died any help would be lovely. Thanks in advance Donna

' Well Done that Girl '....... ' Softly ...Softly catch the Monkey ....' MIKE....Passes over the Prozac to Elaine ...lol :0))))

Hi Milke Just a note back to my Wards, now that I can search ancestry, I sent for a death cert after one of the burials you told me about at St George's and came up trumps. Jane that you mentioned was Jonas's daughter (the fishmongers) so big thank again, it's started to connect the family for me Thank you Elaine

* * * UPDATE for Donna.* * * .. Burial found .... April. ~ May. ~ June. Qrt. 1899. FANNY BAGLEY. Uppingham. (Which covers Wing ) Aged 81. Cert No. 7 a. 207. MIKE. P.S. Message sent to Paul already Hope for reply by the Weekend and with hope any Marriage details My monies on William Bagley as Parent to Thomas there was a lot living next door to each other on early Census returns

Hi Mike Wow you have been busy very much appreciated thank you, it would be lovely if your friend can look at the Rutland census as i am hoping he might be with his parents , i will have a really good look tomorrow at what you have found out for me and see how many are mine, glad to be back and to continue with this obsession...lol...thanks once again Donna

Greeting’s Again Donna….. Glad to see you posting again I don’t have the 1841 Returns for Rutland (Wing ) But if you would like I can pass on your inquiry To a colleague who has And then get back to you…… I have tracked Thomas & Fanny through 1851 through to 1901. ( Where Thomas is a Widow aged 83 ) But there was no sign of children…… Below are the burials for Wing in the name of Bagley Interesting one right at the bottom …. Going on the dates given he will not be in any Census returns :0((( But I might be able to find his Baptism records at Wigston Records Office next time I’m there…. & We’ll see who was his Parents ? Bagley Burials found for Wing Rutland.:- Names. / Dates. / Age. BAGLEY SAMPSON 15 APR 1818 56 BAGLEY SARAH 15 APR 1818 63 BAGLEY JAMES 14 NOV 1825 23 BAGLEY EDWARD 06 APR 1828 16MTHS BAGLEY WILLIAM 26 SEP 1835 78 BAGLEY WILLIAM 08 APR 1839 57 BAGLEY JOHN 13 JAN 1842 6WKS BAGLEY SARAH 23 JUN 1844 75 BAGLEY CHARLES 03 SEP 1846 --? BAGLEY ELIZABETH 25 NOV 1849 2 BAGLEY ELIZA LUCRETIA 19 FEB 1850 8MTHS BAGLEY JOHN 02 JAN 1855 83 BAGLEY ANN 01 APR 1855 72 BAGLEY RUTH 14 SEP 1856 4MTHS BAGLEY MARY ANN 06 NOV 1861 21 BAGLEY SARAH 05 MAR 1864 34 BAGLEY WILLIAM 21 APR 1867 56 BAGLEY MARY ANN 12 JUN 1867 3WKS BAGLEY ELIZABETH 10 SEP 1867 22 BAGLEY SOPHIA 27 NOV 1867 64 BAGLEY ANNIE 21 MAY 1868 25 BAGLEY ANNIE ELIZABETH 09 MAR 1873 8MTHS BAGLEY FRED 29 NOV 1875 2DAYS BAGLEY THOMAS 09 JUN 1878 72 BAGLEY JOHN 17 JUN 1881 65 BAGLEY GEORGE 24 OCT 1882 69 BAGLEY SAMPSON 21 MAY 1888 66 * BAGLEY * * THOMAS BOND * 06 JUL 1890 16MTHS MIKE.

Hi all Hope you all had a good year and christmas (sorry its so long in coming) comp probs and life getting in the way , was wondering if one of you could do me a 1841 lookup for a Thomas Bagley born Wing Rutland circa 1818 , dont know if he would be married at this point but if so would be to a Fanny Sweeby . On all later census they have no children living with them except in 1871 and 1881 they have a grandson Thomas Worthy Bagley living with them managed to find one son Bond Bagley but wondered if there are any more. thanks in advance Donna

Yes thanks Mike Bev

Greeting's again Beverley.... It only stated that Thomas's father was Samuel But going to the 1851. Census Details :- HO 107 / 2088 / 549 / 9. 65 METCALF ST SAMUEL STRETTON HEAD M 76 M STOCKING MAKER * LEI COLEORTON * 65 METCALF ST LUCY STRETTON WIFE M 61 F LEI LEICESTER. Hope this helps.... ? MIKE.

Hi Mike Thanks for your time it is much appreciated. The details I have for the all the siblings of Isaac Ernest Blackwell are:- Zachariah born qtr 4 1855 Elizabeth born abt 1861 - only appears on the 1861 census Charles William Norman born qtr2 1862 John Arthur born qtr 1 1865 Eliza born qtr 1 1870 Rebecca Elizabeth qtr 4 1871 Tom qtr 4 1873 Sarah Ann qtr 2 1877 All born in Shepshed Rebecca's birth certificate states the address as Charley Way John Henry son of Zachariah & Emma according to census was born in 1876/7 In 1901 census Isaac Allen (1882) is still living with parents. Charles William and Reginald Horace were my father's two oldest brothers although Reginald died in 1903 and as yet I have not been able to find any other info on Charles William - save that for another day. Isaac Ernest's birth details are the only piece of info missing from my direct Blackwell line for some 7 generations - any help much appreciated Regards Marlene

Thanks Mike Dare i ask another favour a little while back you looked up a marriage of Charles Stretton for Elaine i think 1847 it said his Father was Samuel does it say whether Samuel came from Coleorton like it did on Thomas marriage because Thomas is one of ours. Seeing he was a witness to Charles i was wondering if they were brothers Thanks a lot for your help Bev

*** F.A.O. Marlene *** Greeting’s Again…. “ No problems “ With the hic up re Diseworth It did a favor see below …… Results of Records Office visit today……. SHEPSHED ….. Baptisms.... Trawled 1860 through to 1889. No entries found for Blackwell at all …. Only two Isaac’s found One for Dexter And one for SMITH but don’t think you want to go down that one ….Grrr DISEWORTH….( St. Michael & All Angels ) Trawled 1873 through to 1900. Baptisms :- 17th. April. 1881. ( Easter day ) Charles William Norman Blackwell. b 15th April 1862. Son of Charles & Eliza Onions. Charles ( Snr) .... Licensed Publican Same Day John Arthur Davish Blackwell. b. 12th.February 1862. Son of Charles & Eliza Onions. ? ? July 1884. Betsy Ellen Blackwell. b. 26th. June 1884. Dau. Of Charles William Norman & Sarah Ann. Father’s Occupation Stocking Maker. 6th. Sept. 1885. John Henry Blackwell. b. Shepshed 31st Dec. 1861. Son of Zachariah & Emma. Father’s Occupation Frame Smith. 12th. August. 1894. ISAAC ALLEN BLACKWELL. b Shepshed. 2nd. April. 1882. Son of Zachariah & Emma. Same day. Charles Ernest Blackwell b Shepshed. 7th. Sept. 1885. Son of Zachariah & Emma. 11th. June. 1898. Olive Grace Annie Blackwell. b Diseworth. 11th.Feb. 1898. Dau. Of John Arthur & Ellen. Father’s Occupation Coal Merchant God Mother. Ellen Blackwell. 1st. Oct. 1899. Charles William Blackwell. b Sandiacer Derbyshire. 22nd. June 1899. Son of Isaac & Alice. Father’s Occupation Farm Lab. God Parents Mrs I.E. Blackwell. Mr Doltte. & Mrs A Blackwell. ?? 1900. Reginald Horace Blackwell. b Sandiacer Derbyshire. 6th. May 1900. Son of Isaac & Alice. God Parents:- Mrs I.E. Blackwell. Mrs A. Blackwell. BTW... I did see several Baptisms in the Name of Perkins in Diseworth So is that why Isaac was with a Perkins Family in Barkby on 1891. Census ? This is where I ran out of time need another visit me thinks… It looks like the early ones they were running ten ~ 20 years behind births for a baptism……:o/ Or was it a result of a recruitment drive of the Rector William Royce Jones. ? I see at one point he Baptised a 81 year old Woman …Ummmm lol :0)))) MIKE.

Greeting's Again Beverley The only one which is a sound a like to Henry Copeland & Spouse Mary Henry COUPLAND. ~ Mary Martin. Croft ( 2.8 miles from Broughton Astley ) but earlier year 1808. and By LICENCE... Sorry .... MIKE.

Hi Mike Have you got info on Marriages Broughton Astley looking for the marriage between Henry Copeland and Mary?his birth was 1795 and first childs birth 1819 Thanks Bev

Hi Elaine Im sorry it was the Charles Stretton and Priscilla warren I have got an Eliza Stretton birth 1840 but she didnt get married still living with parents at 60 Bev