Genealogy Chat

nell, definately them. forgot to thank jim.... cheers jim.

Jane I',m glad to have been able to help and I hope the birth cert is the right one. Thanks for letting us know how you're getting on and do keep us informed of progress. I often wonder what happens to all the intriguing family mysteries on these boards and I do like a happy ending, or at least a conclusion!! nell

nell, robin, merry, jess. you geniuses!! ann beynon was in fact ann evans but was calling herself beynon. esther perkins was her mother and did marry lewis beynon. jennie beynon was my jinnie, she married george powell, they had a son david who died age 3 weeks, no more after him. poor jinnie was always deemed lower than ann by ann's children when all along ann was the illigitimate child!! even tho the beynons are not mine now i've had contact with some who are filling in gaps for me. login has a cemetary that has lots of generations of perkins in it so i'll be off to wales in a few weeks, (once my morgans unravel) i think i have found rees, but need to confirm with certs. cant thank you all enough for the superb detective work, nell, pontneddfechan is 2 miles from high street where rees and ann lived via a dirt track!! well done all of you, jane x.

robin have found a rees thomas born 1880 (1901 census says 1874) neath, cadoxton juxta. RG12/4466, folio 73, page1. nell was so clever suusing that out.going back to have another look .

Genuki's gazetteer has this one County Glamorgan OS Grid ref SN907078 Parish or Township Cadoxton Juxta Neath Place Pontneddfechan (or Pont Neath Vaughan) so Nell is definitely right about Rees's birthplace. Cadoxton Juxta Neath parish was a church parish but not a civil parish. And it was a long thin parish -- Pontneddfechan is 10 miles up the valley from Cadoxton itself. The civil parish covering Pontneddfechan is called Neath Higher in 1891 and Neath Upper in 1881. Either of these, or maybe Glyn Neath, appearing as a birthplace would be a match. The description for Neath Higher/Upper enumeration district 4 mentions cottages at Pontneathvaughan. The problem is the same as at Login -- the name of the hamlet doesn't appear in the census addresses, so it doesn't show up in database searches Might have more luck searching for Rees's father, if his name and occupation are given on Rees's marriage cert and we believe them. If Rees is also in the censuses under his mother's name or his stepfather's name then it might be difficult

robin, that cant not be her how many other jennie beynon and george powells could have married at that time? wish the cert would hurry, postmans been already.i'm worse than my dog for chasing him now!

thanks merry, think she was definately jennie. probably called jinnie from our cockney accents!! just re-read obituary,some names setting of bells; most of bearers church people but t.mort (thomas,called him uncle tom but not related, neighbour of my gran) and d.evans. mourners; apart from children were; w, d, and tom thomas, j.perkins, wm thomas, miss k thomas.why did i not question all these thomas names!! and the evans and perkins too. the hunt starts again.

FamilyRelatives has a likely marriage, Dec qtr 1917, Merthyr Tydfil, 11a 1473, George Powell, Jennie Beynon. Doesn't immediately help with her age, 18 and 28 would both do nicely

Jane, I have not kept up with your thread....but just noticed your last post..... In England, as least (don't know about Welsh practices!) the name Jinny or Ginny (both with an i) was a diminutive for Mary Jane. Not sure this helps at all!! Merry

hi robin, i wonder if jennie on 1901 census is her?says born 1889. i remember visiting jinnie now through childhood, but didnt really know who she was! she was still alive 1973 and was a tiny woman who looked like mrs pepperpot.i cant recall visiting her after that, but then i'm only just getting memory jogs now.she still lived in village of hirwaun and going by ann thomas obituary jinnie/jennie was married to geo. powell . either 1901 census has misprint or my info was wrong for jennie.

there might not be a direct proof in the records. There's a birth reg for Anne Perkins, Sep qtr 1876, but the father's name is going to be a blank. The father's name on the marriage cert might be a blank as well, or it might be a made-up name (small bet on 'Lewis Evans'). Then, if the Beynon/Perkins marriage pans out, you've got Esther losing a daughter and gaining a servant, but you'll have to rely on the half-sister connection to prove they're the same person. There's an issue about when Jennie was born. Finding her death would be useful

thanks guys. i have a feeling with esther though, ann and rees' children were; mary gwen (my gran), esther ann!!, betty, edward, john, william and rees(who died 1940 age 31),that much i do know.thought the esther may have been an aunt,through marriage to lewis. rees and ann's 1st child was llewelyn lewis(thanks merry!).hmmmmm!

and still no luck with Rees Thomas!

It seems Login was treated as part of Llanboidy but I can't find Cilymaenllwyd on the map. I think until you get that cert we are all going to be possibly barking up wrong trees! We don't KNOW that your Ann had a mother called Esther yet!

oh my god!! you lot are amazing. i've just come in from work and......wow!how do you all get to be sooooo good at this?i am so excited i'm sitting here laughing, much to my boys' disgust.have i got an intriguing family or what! i am absolutely gobsmacked with what you all have found and am so glad i asked.

same Esther in 1871 Anne Perkins abt 1807 Cilymaenllwyd, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head Widow Cilymaenllwyd Carmarthenshire Esther Perkins abt 1846 Llanboidy, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter Unmarried Cilymaenllwyd Carmarthenshire Jane Perkins abt 1864 Llanboidy, Carmarthenshire, Wales Granddaughter Cilymaenllwyd Carmarthenshire So this Esther was one of those lucky ladies who ages a lot slower than the calendar. But did she have 2 daughters called Jane, 25 years apart, or is the older one a niece?

apparently Login was in Cilymaenllwyd parish. Looking through the parish in 1881, RG11/5402 starting folio 52, it's like every house has a name and the addresses given are just the house names, which explains why Login doesn't appear in many addresses. On folio 56 page 10 there's an Esther Perkins age 30 unmarried with a daughter Anne age 4. Anne's birthplace is Cilymaenllwyd, which fits, but Esther's is given as Llanboidy. There's also a 'servant' called Jane Perkins, 18 -- possibly who Ann's half-sister was named after So maybe Evans was Ann's father's name and her parents never did marry just seen your latest Jim, hope there weren't too different Logins, that's all we need

Here is Login in 1881 or maybe two? View Record David Jinkins abt 1879 Cilmaenllwyd, Carmarthenshire, Wales Grandson Login Village, Cilymaenllwyd, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record Esther Jinkins abt 1856 Cilmaenllwyd, Carmarthenshire, Wales Granddaughter Login Village, Cilymaenllwyd, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record Anne Phillips abt 1797 Llanfyrnach, Pembrokeshire, Wales Head Login Village, Cilymaenllwyd, Carmarthenshire, Wales zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz View Record Milian Evans abt 1816 Llanllawddog Wife Login, Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record Samuel Evans abt 1855 Abergwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales Son Login, Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record Thomas Evans abt 1845 Abergwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales Son Login, Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record William Evans abt 1816 Llangeler, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head Login, Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record William Jones abt 1860 Abergwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales Servant Login, Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales View Record Ellen Williams abt 1854 Abergwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales Servant Login, Abergwilly, Carmarthenshire, Wales

It's not one of those ''flooded valleys'' or something?? (you know, with a church spire showing above the water.....) Merry

There are odd things afoot here. I can't find anyone living IN Login in 1881 or 1871 . BUT I have found several people (not surname Beynon or Evans or Perkins, who were born in Login, Carmarthenshire, but now live around Aberdare!) including in 1871 Margaret Couzens abt 1843 Login, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Aberdare Glamorgan I think there must have been a mass exodus! nell