Genealogy Chat

Only joking I have my share of Jones, Davies, Thomas, Williams and Rees not to mention Roberts! Also Mary, Elizabeth Ann, Rees David, etc By the way I do have a William Jones in my tree lol. Cas

Cas Gosh, thanks again. Yes, Welsh ancestry can be easy - apart from the blinking William Jones, who changes birth county between censuses! nell

Hi Nell...glad to help. Check out this link for distance relation to Parishes. replace * http://www*genuki*org*uk/cgi-bin/places?GLA,SS920690,5,Marcross These are the Mandry marriages up to 1837. I think there is a strong possibility that Edward/Mary are Mary's parents. St Brides Major is about 3 miles from Monknash, check link. GROOM SURNAME GROOM FIRST NAME/S GROOM PARISH BRIDE SURNAME BRIDE FIRST NAME/S BRIDE PARISH DATE YEAR PARISH OF MARRIAGE MANDREY EVAN COWBRIDGE MEREDITH MARGARET COWBRIDGE 17FEB 1807 COWBRIDGE(PL) MANDREY JOHN LLANGYFELACH JOHN ALICE LLANGYFELACH 11NOV 1821 LANGFELCH(WB) **MANDRY EDWARD ST BRIDE MAJ THOMAS MARY ST BRIDE MAJ 1FEB 1804 ST BRIDE MJ(PB) MANDRY NOAH MARGAM EDMOND MARY MARGAM 4DEC 1824 MARGAM(P) Just realised she was born out of county...sorry getting confused with different look up on here and Roots - you may find the info useful anyway! There is also an Edward Mandry on the 1841 in St Brides that is a probable brother to Mary. - Just checked this wrong place St Brides Major - sorry You are having a good day ..who said Welsh ancestry was difficult lol Cas

Fantastic! Cas found a likely marriage between Jenkin Evan and Mary MANDERY - as I was typing up the info I had a flash of insight! Jenkin and Mary's son John had a child called Jenkin. This Jenkin had a son called Edward MANDRY Evans, who was my husband's grandfather. We always wondered about his middle name! nell

Cas I had the 1861 entry for Mary and her Evans daughter - someone told a porkie! But I'm glad you think the same. But that marriage looks spot on - will add to my list when I have funds to get it. Thank you sooooo much! nell

If this is the right family..I have a possible marriages for John' parents and grandparents. Let me know if you want them cas

Cas Thank you! I'm just going to have a cup of tea and look at those finds carefully. Very grateful to you! nell

1861 - looks like they were not married when Mary was born, the marriage details look very likely...you could order the cert quote both father's names...if you think this is likely. RG9/4080 Folio: 61 Page: 28 Registration district: Neath Sub-registration district: Margam ***Mary Evans abt 1861 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Granddaughter Margam Glamorgan Alice Williams abt 1846 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan Ann Williams abt 1849 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Margam Glamorgan David Williams abt 1851 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan Margaret Williams abt 1844 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Margam Glamorgan ***Mary Williams abt 1841 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Margam Glamorgan Thomas Williams abt 1814 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Head Margam Glamorgan Thomas Williams abt 1838 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan William Williams abt 1854 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan Sorry if you already have this... Cas

This is a possible, right area as well.... 1851 HO107/2461 Folio: 74 Page: 57 Registration district: Bridgend Sub-registration district: Maesteg Edward Evan abt 1838 Monknash, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llangynwyd Cwmdu Glamorgan Jenkin Evan abt 1805 Wick, Glamorgan, Wales Head Llangynwyd Cwmdu Glamorgan **John Evan abt 1841 Monknash, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llangynwyd Cwmdu Glamorgan Mary Evan abt 1802 Lanow, Carmarthenshire, Wales Wife Llangynwyd Cwmdu Glamorgan William Evan abt 1842 Monknash, Glamorgan, Wales Son Llangynwyd Cwmdu Glamorgan ******************************************************** Do you have 1861 - cannot find john ******************************************************** This is a possible marriage on freebmd to suit the age, area, names Marriages Dec 1862 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evans John Bridgend 11a 597 Williams Mary Bridgend 11a 597 ************************************************************** They lived in this area. Hope this helps Nell... Cas

Ladies Thank you all so much. Sorry, my son demanded to go on the computer earlier, so I've only just seen your suggestions, which I am now going to investigate. nell

This one is down as being born in Llantwit. In those days they usually moved around to different coal pits. But his father is shown as a farmer of 30 acres. Resolven is in Neath and Taibach is now in Port Talbot. Probably would have been Margam then. 1851 Census Name: John Evans Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Lantwit, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Resolven County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: HO107/2463 Registration district: Neath Sub-registration district: Neath ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Folio: 299 Page: 20 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 62 GSU Number: 104210

Helen With the meniton of place names with a little mis -spelling could this be John then if indeed they did not actually marry he is single but can't make out the occupation. 1861 census Benjamin Evans abt 1845 Lantwit Juxta, Glamorgan, Wales Son Lantwit juxta Neath Glamorgan John Evans abt 1840 Lantwit Juxta, Glamorgan, Wales Son Lantwit juxta Neath Glamorgan Thomas Evans abt 1796 Lantwit Juxta, Glamorgan, Wales Head Lantwit juxta Neath Glamorgan Thomas Evans abt 1843 Lantwit Juxta, Glamorgan, Wales Son Lantwit juxta Neath Glamorgan William Evans abt 1838 Lantwit Juxta, Glamorgan, Wales Son Lantwit juxta Neath Glamorgan Mary Williams abt 1831 Llangathen, Carmarthenshire, Wales Servant Lantwit juxta Neath Glamorgan Wendy

EDWARD EVANS Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 26 FEB 1837 Monknash, Glamorgan, Wales Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JENKIN EVANS Family Mother: MARY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C024771 1812 - 1873 0104892 Film 0820578 Film Sheet: 00 WILLIAM EVAN Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 11 SEP 1842 Monknash, Glamorgan, Wales Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JENKIN EVAN Family Mother: MARY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C024771 1812 - 1873 0104892 Film 0820578 Film Sheet: 00

Mary Evans abt 1861 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Granddaughter Margam Glamorgan View Record Alice Williams abt 1846 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan View Record Ann Williams abt 1849 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Margam Glamorgan View Record David Williams abt 1851 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan View Record Margaret Williams abt 1844 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Margam Glamorgan View Record Mary Williams abt 1841 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Margam Glamorgan View Record Thomas Williams abt 1814 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Head Margam Glamorgan View Record Thomas Williams abt 1838 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan View Record William Williams abt 1854 Taibach, Glamorgan, Wales Son Margam Glamorgan Have got a daughter Mary, right age, right birthplace, maybe they didn't get married until after the birth????? No proof though, sorry Also if you look on IGI using batch numbers there are 2 Evans births in Monknash to a Jenkin Evans..in the 1840's.....no John though

Nell I think I might know the answer.... I think on 1861 look for Mary Evans aged 9 days....will be right back!

Lunar Why didn't I check the map? Because i know where Monknash and Taibach are and Marcross didn't ring a bell. What a twit!!! First child born 1861 but I think after the census as I can't find her. Born Taibach (which I couldn't get to come up when I did a search for some reason) and of course named Mary after her mother!!! The thought of checking a marriage between John Evans and Mary someone in Wales even if I do have a good idea of the reg district is making me feel ill. I think the answer will be to get the birth cert of their son Jenkin, as a) his name is less usual than their other children and b) is is a direct ancestor of husband. But of course his birth doesn't appear to be on Freebmd. Thanks for your help anyway. I will have another go at the 1861. Cheers nell

Hi Nell Just been looking at some maps and Monknash and Marcross are neighbouring villiges near Llantwit Major and Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan which should be the registration district of Bridgend. Taibach is in the Neath, Glamorgan area and very close to Margam. Just a thought, do you know when the first child was born? as they could either be married or still single in 1861. And finding a referencr to the marrage may help locate Mary if they married later. There are 4 Mary's born in Taibach in 1841 on the 1861 census and 2 in 1838. Some of these girls are listed as born in Margam on the 1851 census.

Kerry That's the right chap, I already have him & family in 1901, I want to find him before he married. Thanks anyway. Bev Thank you that's very helpful, I will check it out now. Christine, thanks, I'll investigate your finds too:-))) nell

This was the best I could do on IGI: Batch No.: C057371 1850 - 1863, 1864 - 1875 MARY EVANS Christening: Mary 16 FEB 1855 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: DAVID EVANS Mother: MARY Christening: Mary 01 APR 1855 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: HENRY EVANS Mother: MARY Christening: Mary Jane 21 JAN 1858 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: EMMANUEL EVANS Mother: MARY Christening: Mary Ann 06 MAR 1860 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: JENKIN EVAN Mother: RACHEL Christening: Mary 24 SEP 1860 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: WILLIAM EVANS Mother: HANNAH Christening: Mary 30 MAY 1861 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: JOHN EVANS Mother: MARY WILLIAMS Christening: Mary 07 APR 1862 Taibach, Glamorgan Death: 25 FEB 1865 Christening: Mary 25 MAY 1867 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: REES EVANS Mother: MARY Christening: Mary Ann 03 SEP 1871 Taibach, Glamorgan Death: 14 FEB 1872 Christening: Mary Lizzie 07 MAR 1874 Taibach, Glamorgan Father: DAVID EVANS Mother: ELIZABETH I include them all because, occasionally people weren't baptised as babes. Christine

hi helen i dont know if this is any use but i found this on 1901 john evans head age 61 pitman born glamorgan marcross mary evans wife age 50 born glamorgan dalboch john evans single age 25 born glamorgan maesteg coal miner hewer evan evans sorry both are sons single age 19 coal miner hewer born glamorgan maesteg daniel evans son single age 17 born glamorgan maesteg coal miner hewer hope it helps good luck i have prolems with my husbands lot a lot come from wales also and its a nightmare!! kerry suden