Genealogy Chat

hi guys, just wondering if i could pick your brains for a sec... i have been trying to trace my gr grandfather for a while now and have pretty much come to dead ends all the time as none of my family know much about him i have the marriage certificate from when he married my gr grandmother..his name was frederick lewis and her name was louisa hill. they married at birmingham north on 19th nov 1924..his age is down as 37 and she is 39. so by my calculations (which i have to say are pretty rubbish most of the time) she would of made her born in 1885ish and him 1887ish. now i have found louisa and her family on the census's..she is down as being born 1886 which is good enough for me. fredericks father on the marriage certificate is down as deceased..his name was thomas lewis and his proffesion is down as a steeplejack. i trawled the census's but i couldnt find a frederick lewis who's father was a steeple jack..i have just found an death entry though opn family search and its for a frederick lewis who was born 9th march 1886 in shading field england. father was a thomas edward lewis and mothers name charlotte. fredericks death is down as 31 july 1976 the thing is, is that theres a few thomas and fredericks down on the census's..none of them match thomas's profession..but when i looked up that frederick i just found on family search i found the family on 1891 census and thomas is down as a woodman..do you think it could be them or am i clutching at straws because im getting desperate? any help you could give will be greatfully recieved thanks :o)

Have put paragraphs in to make it easier to read. Jools hi guys, just wondering if i could pick your brains for a sec... i have been trying to trace my gr grandfather for a while now and have pretty much come to dead ends all the time as none of my family know much about him i have the marriage certificate from when he married my gr grandmother..his name was frederick lewis and her name was louisa hill. they married at birmingham north on 19th nov 1924..his age is down as 37 and she is 39. so by my calculations (which i have to say are pretty rubbish most of the time) she would of made her born in 1885ish and him 1887ish. now i have found louisa and her family on the census's..she is down as being born 1886 which is good enough for me. fredericks father on the marriage certificate is down as deceased..his name was thomas lewis and his proffesion is down as a steeplejack. i trawled the census's but i couldnt find a frederick lewis who's father was a steeple jack.. i have just found an death entry though opn family search and its for a frederick lewis who was born 9th march 1886 in shading field england. father was a thomas edward lewis and mothers name charlotte. fredericks death is down as 31 july 1976 the thing is, is that theres a few thomas and fredericks down on the census's..none of them match thomas's profession..but when i looked up that frederick i just found on family search i found the family on 1891 census and thomas is down as a woodman.. do you think it could be them or am i clutching at straws because im getting desperate? any help you could give will be greatfully recieved thanks :o)

SO - what you know Frederick LEWIS age 37 married Louisa HILL age 39 on 19 nov 1924. That makes Fred born about 1887 and Louisa born about 1885 Fred's father was Thomas. On the MC he was a deceased steeplejack. WHAT WOULD HELP US TO SEARCH Where is Shading Field? Have you found the Lewis family on any census?

hi jools, yes thats what i mean lol, i think id of forgotton what i was trying to write if id of stopped and put paragraphs in, been a long night with baby teething lol

If the only reason you are discounting a family is because the father's occupation doesn't tally with what is on the son's marriage cert - don't let that deter you. Some people did stay in the same job their whole life. My gt grandfather John David Smoothy was a wood turner for the same firm for over 40 years. BUT I have other relatives in my and my husband's trees who change occupation with every cert/census. Examples Charles Carter was a cabman/wharf labourer/gauger (to do with customs & excise)/confectioner/mineral water salesman/publican. My gt gt grandfather John Smoothy was a servant/butler/lodging house keeper/beadle/overseer of the poor/coroner's officer. My grandfather Jeuel Gray worked for a distillery, a brewery, coloured in black & white photos and then ran a picture framer's shop. My grandfather Angus Williams was apprenticed to a blacksmith, joined the army, drove a lorry, did agricultural labouring, mended fences, became a chauffeur (taught 3 people to drive & they passed their tests, though he never did!), ran a shoe repair shop etc. nell

Alexandra - if you had put paragraphs in GR would have removed them anyway, unless you put the whole thing up as a 'reply'. Anyway, I don't really understand this death entry you have found. I'll see if I can work out what it is and get back to you... Kate.

O.K., I guess this is what you mean - IGI entries: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Lewis Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 09 MAR 1886 Shading Field, , , England Christening: Death: 31 JUL 1976 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Thomas Edward Lewis Family Mother: Charlotte -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter. IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick Lewis Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 09 MAR 1886 Shading Field, , , England Christening: Death: 31 JUL 1976 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Thomas Edward Lewis Family Mother: Charlotte -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Ellen Baker Family Marriage: 06 SEP 1908 Carlton-Colville, , Suffolk, England Have to post this up to see whether you said he married an Ellen or not... back in a second! Kate.

hi helen and kate thanks for your replies.. i did kind of think that they might change proffesions quite alot..but in the 1891 census thomas lewis is pretty old..in his 50's and he is down as a woodsman so not sure if he would of had a change of career then also frederick married my gr grandmother louisa in birmingham..she lived round there all her life..but that frderick ive just found was born in sulfolk..seems a long way to move done you think? although when i look that frederick up on the 1901 census he is woking as part of the crew on a ship so maybe he travelled thanks for your help guys :o)

O.K. then, so firstly, those IGI entries could be right, could be wrong, we don't really know. Secondly, was your Frederick a bachelor or a widower when he married Louisa? Because if he was a bachelor then the IGI one isn't him, as it shows that marriage to Ellen, but if he was a widower it could be and we would have to look for Ellen's death. Thirdly, what were the names of the witnesses at Frederick and Louisa's wedding, and what address did Frederick give? If you can get a look at the electoral roll entry for his address it might help (you would have to go to the record office for the area.) Kate.

Answered my own question - genuki has Shadingfield in Suffolk

Got to get off the computer, but one more thought... could be that Thomas Lewis died between Frederick's birth and the 1891 census, in which case you wouldn't be able to find them together? Kate.

hi susan..good idea i will try playing around with the name and see what i come up with.. kate i didnt see that marriage entry that you found...he may well have married before he married louisa..but on his marriage certificate to her he is down as a bachelor while she is widdowed..though by all accounts he wasnt a very honest man anyway...guess though i may have been looking at the wrong 1 which is a bit gutting i thought i was finally onto something lol :o) alex

do you know where frederick and thomas were born it might help helen

hi jools id never heard of it either lol hi kate well his address is down as 1/8 heneage st birmingham and louisa is down at 5/64 heneage st birmingham...unfortunatly theres no way i could get to birmingham to look at the records office though. the witnesses are esther grainger and a.h grainger..might have a look on the census for them thanks :o)

hi helen, i have absolutly no idea where thomas or frederick were born..no one knows much about him as he and louisa parted when my nan was very young and know one saw him again..in fact louisa even changed her name back to her first husbands name so i guess she really didnt like fred much lol...unfortunatly my nans dead now so cant ask her what she knows..and all my mum knows was that he was a criminal which is why louisa got rid and changed her name. its juts so fustrating because i know so little about him and i dont think ill ever find out anything about him :o( alex

i'll keep looking for a while to see what comes up Helen

If I were you I would also look for an Esther Lewis or Esther Hill marrying a Grainger as it could be her married name (the marriage witness).