Genealogy Chat

I don't know if they lived together I don't know that much about them. Dan.

Will see what I can do for you

It's super slow at mo will keep trying

ok cheers zoe

Found a Maria in June 1911 District : Dewsbury Vol:9b Page:553 No mothers maiden name too early Will keep going Zoe

Thanks Zoe, wish they'd release that 1911 census!!!!!! Things would be so much easier.

Never a truer word spoken can't wait will solve some mysteries on my side and confirm alot Zoe

have you had any luck with them other two names? dan.

Still looking on 1914 now Zoe

Wow Brenda thanks great eh Dan

Looks like we are going to need the marriages from 1908-1920 for Albert Wharton to see if there were any more **Earlier then 1901 onwards Zoe

Have you had any luck with any marriages between them dates? Dan.

If Clifford is 2nd quarter thats a pain because the census was taken 31st of March. arahahahhhhhh Dan.

Depends on how long between birth and registration - you had six weeks to register a birth. jay

Doesn't look like he is there in 1901 Zoe

RIght ok thanks Brenda and Zoe of course i'll try and chase all these leads up i'm to get some sleep now. Thanks For Your Help! Dan.

You say he went to prison - I am assuming for the bigamy? If so, the two bigamous marriages would have been declared void and the Registrar would have annoted the marriage entries to reflect this. Sadly, I think this means that the records will not be available for public view. (Because no marriage took place, therefore there cannot be a record of a non-event) In theory, these two bigamous marriages should NOT appear in any indexes either - but som,etimes these things do slip through. I think you will have to get some birth certs to find the names of the other two 'wives' and do it that way. Olde Crone

Thats Interesting 'old crone' but how would they know he had married before? I mean there isn't one Albert Wharton he could have lied about something to take away the suspicion.

You say that he went to prison for bigamy, is that correct? If so, at the trial, the police or prosecution would have to have produced evidence that he committed bigamy, in the form of marriage certificates, which would give the names of the young women involved of course. When someone is found guilty of bigamy, this fact is reported to the Registrar General, who then makes a note against the original marriage entries to the effect that these marriages are null and void. This information then 'disappears' from the public view - although the entries remain as no-one is allowed to alter or delete an entry once made, even if it is wrong. So for instance, if you discovered that he married Aggie Baggins bigamously, and you asked for a copy of the marriage cert, IN THEORY you should receive a reply stating 'We are unable to supply this certificate as the information does not correspond with that which you quoted' - because, you said a marriage had taken place AND IT HADNT. I say in theory - even Registrars must make mistakes and someone might not notice the annotation and send you a copy anyway. Do you have any idea when/where this happened? A trawl through the papers might be a shortcut to finding out - it may have been reported in the Times, in which case, there are people on these boards who have access to the Times. Good luck

I don't know when and where it happened, but my Grandad remembers being with him at when he was a young boy so if my grandad was born in 1934 it might have been before then. If anyone has access to the Times could they try looking for me see if theres anything Albert Wharton is his name. Thanks! Dan.