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I really do feel quite wobbly. After 2 years of searching, I have finally found the birth of my great grandmother, Phoebe Elizabeth Habberley. I scoured the Birth indexes time after time, but no luck. Can't have registered the birth I thought. I checked both Shropshire and Staffordshire entries, because there was some question about where she was born. I checked all the spellings I could come up with for Habberley (Haberley, Habberly, Haberly, Hebberley). Still nothing. I looked for just plain Elizabeth, since that is what she is referred to on all the censuses. Still not there. But a few weeks ago at Shropshire archives I found her grandparents' marriage. Thomas Abberley to Mary Jervis. Christmas intervened and only tonight, having just got Mary's death certificate, have I turned yet again to Phoebe Elizabeth's birth. This time I tried Phoebe Elizabeth Abberley - and there she is, on the West Midlands BMD site. I have now also found her on the index but can't read the number so am sending for the certificate from the Register Office at Sandwell. Oh, I do hope they deal with it quickly - I've stuck my last 2 first class stamps on the envelopes! Tip - if the name begins with H, try dropping it! Tina (PS No point in telling the family - they won't understand!)

Smelling salts required?? Merry

LOL well done Tina!!!!!! Merry

Well done Tina, i hope i have the same luck when gg/gradads certificate comes. Ann

well done , see what happens to those who wait . helen

Good for you! Hope the cert provides more useful clues and not just another set of questions!! nell

Tina That is brilliant! I must confess that I once saw my surname without its usual initial and did not recognise it at all. I felt such a cluck when I realised.

Hi Tina, You shouldn't have too wait long. I have used Sandwell, they sent mine out by return of post!! 2 days in total - brilliant service. Good luck! Debbie

Really Tina!! I should think you have been a member long enough to know this message belongs on the Success board. Lets not junk up the Tips board with the wrong messages. It can lead to suspension you know!!! lol!! *with big fat cheeks cos her tongue is in them* But seriously, great news. It's great when you finally find someone you've been looking for for ages. Rebs xx : ))

Happened to come across this entry.....could this be her, although father's name is different, mother's name and area match area you are searching: PHEBE ABBERLEY Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 08 DEC 1765 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: FRANS. ABBERLEY Family Mother: MARY Perhaps a connection to your Abberley's, also from same area you are researching: .1. ELIZABETH ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 31 MAY 1757 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 2. THOS. ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 JAN 1759 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 3. ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUL 1763 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 4. EDWARD ABERLY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUL 1779 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 5. MARTHA ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 23 APR 1769 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 6. MARTHA ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 23 APR 1771 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 7. MARY ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 10 NOV 1765 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 8. JOHN ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 AUG 1774 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 9. RICH. ABERLY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 07 SEP 1772 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 10. RICHD. ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 AUG 1774 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 11. JAMES ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 APR 1720 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 12. PHEBE ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 DEC 1765 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 13. KATHERINE ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 FEB 1718 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 14. ANNE ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 NOV 1722 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 15. ANN ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1762 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 16. ANN ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1762 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 17. ANN ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 FEB 1769 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 18. ANN ABBERLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 FEB 1771 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England 19. ANN ABERLY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 JAN 1786 Stoke Saint Milborough, Shropshire, England

Perhaps these Jervis/Jarvis may fit in somewhere down the line on your research - all from same area as Mary. Often I've come across the same family that spells a last name two different ways - sometimes just an error on the transcribers end: 1. ELLEN JARVIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 08 JUN 1820 Kenley, Shropshire, England 2. WILLIAM JARVIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 04 JUN 1792 Kenley, Shropshire, England 3. WILLM. JARVIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 13 NOV 1834 Kenley, Shropshire, England 4. MARY JERVIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 18 AUG 1816 Kenley, Shropshire, England 5. RICHARD JARVIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 11 NOV 1829 Kenley, Shropshire, England 6. MARY ANNE JARVIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Marriage: 08 JUN 1836 Kenley, Shropshire, England

WELL DONE TINA !!!! I can only guess what it must feel like.... :-) Sarah

Thats so lovely Tina, I feel quite excited for you! I guess we do tend to forget about regional accents when we search. I know I found one of my Horsteads down as Horstus in an 1881 census. I was telling my 80 year old aunt that and saying how crazy it was. She said my nan, who was a fire officer in WW2 London would be walking along the street and people would shout out 'Morning Mrs Orstus' (and 60 years after the above census 'mistake') Isnt that mad? But I guess the cockney accent tends to leave out 'hard' sounds? It wouldnt have occurred to me in a million years. Im really looking forward to one day finding my GGPx4 marriage and baptisms - I shall scream my head off! I remember my hands shaking when I crushed my first brick wall 2 years ago, GGFx2 in the parish baptisms.

Congrats, Tina. And I would like to add that the reverse is also true - if you can't find a name beginning with a vowel, try adding an H! For example, some of my partner's Etheringtons turn up as Hetheringtons, and some of my Aughtons as Haughtons. Kate.

My Haughton's have also become 'Orton's. Well done Tina !! Dea x

Excellent, Tina! You mustt be purring well! :-)

Thank you everyone for sharing my delight. This lady has been my brick wall. She seems to have lost her parents very young. I have yet to find their marriage, and it is very reassuring to discover that she really did exist and is not just a figment of my fevered imagination. (I have real problems if she is - I've been putting flowers on her grave for the past 50 odd years!) When I get the certificate, I shall finally discover her mother's name - I don't even know the christian name. I do have a couple of possible marriages, with equally possible names for the bride. Please say a quiet prayer for me that she does not turn out to be Ann Evans or Caroline Jones. Please, please, not another Jones! Judy in the States, thank you for your suggestions. I don't think the gang in Stoke Saint Milborough are my Jervis/Jarvis lot, but the Kenley ones are. The Jarvis there must be a transcription error, as I found them on the microfiche at the county archives and it definitely says Jervis there. It just goes to emphasise how easily spellings get mangled, one way or another. By the way, thank you for all your computer expertise - your advice on maintaining your PC is printed out and pinned on my notice board - and has been passed around to all my friends, relations and general hangers-on! It is much appreciated. I will let you all know how I get on with Phoebe Elizabeth. And there was me wondering if she had invented the Phoebe to make herself sound more interesting! Smack my hand! May you all have equal success with your current problem ancestors. Tina