Genealogy Chat

Heather.....Q's!! When did James Hanson die? (Mary Wyles hubby). Did he ever marry Phoebe? Are you sure those last two children (Phoebe and William) are hers? Merry

Thanks for that, but this chap wasnt an orphan. I guess by the time he was recruited it was being used for a different purpose. Many thanks for kindly given us that info. Will add a note to the tree on this guy.

Maybe this will answer the question of military asylum??? History of the R M A (1803 - 1892) The Charity of Mars The armed conflict between Britain and its allies with Revolutionary France (1793 to 1815), ending with the Battle of Waterloo on 18 June 1815, was known as 'the Great War'. During the more than twenty years of almost continuous warfare, one million men and boys (1) from the British Isles bore arms in the armed forces, the Army or Royal Navy. At the beginning of the nineteenth century, the population of the British Isles was about 14 million. This meant that over seven per cent of the population had served in the conflict. By the time the war ended over 315,000 of those who took part had been killed. In 1801, Frederick, Duke of York, the second son of George III and Commander-in-Chief of the British Army for most of the Great War, founded the Royal Military Asylum (2) by royal charter. In his day, York was the butt of a lampoon that became so well known it take its place in the annals of nursery rhymes as 'The Grand old Duke of York, he had ten thousand men; he marched them to the top of the hill and march down again. (3) Funded by the Army, the RMA became a home to children of fallen rank and file soldiers. At the height of the war, the RMA was home to 1,500 military orphans, 1,000 boys and 500 girls. Asylum in its old sense, meaning sanctuary, haven, refuge. Anne :)))

Heather - youre confused! How do you think I feel???

I'm totally confused but have you looked for Anson? Heather

Thanks girl, Im off now too. Son has just come home and is currently shouting down phone at his girlfriend - so they had a good valentine do then - nite nite. Certainly given me something to think about kiddo. What a clever kid you are. Still got to find that death for Mary Ann though

James Robert Hanson born 9 April 1860 at 22 Curtain Road, St Leonard, Shoreditch, mother Mary Ann Hanson formerly Wyles, father James Hanson master cabinet maker.

Passing out now......back tomorrow....... Merry

Hmmmmmmmmm, I think the image def says John and poss middle initial A, but if she was a stationer and could read and write then she will have filled in her own form and maybe the enumerator could read it? Wouldn't James have been more then 10 months, though??? Merry

Yes, but if your father in law James Hanson the elder who is a stationer is p***** with your husband, his son for shacking up with a young tart, would your father in law, say I will help you out - you can work with me as a stationer? James (the grandson) needs you as he is only a baby. And have you seen that census image, gawd knows how they even worked out her name without knowing it. Have a look. Could that John A really be James R aged 10 months not 10 years? Just seen your message - yes James is my GGF. I have his birth cert - he was born April 1860. Sorry, I did start another thread first, then went back to check my tree - in the first message I said that the coincidence of her being a stationer was too much, when James the elder was a lighterman until 1861 when he is shown as tobacconist Stationer. (I think he stopped paying his lighterman quarterage dues in something like 1856)

Do you know when James Hanson was born (the one who is 10 in 1871??) - Could he be Phoebe's and born day after the census?? (reason for Mary to leave?) Or is he your ancestor??!! Merry

The thing that bothers me more than the age variation (can't spell discrepancy!)......is occupation Stationer, sounds quite ''settled'' if you had just left your hubby and split up your children, wouldn't you be getting by, doing a bit of charring or laundry work?? Not sure it's her.....not sure how to prove it isn't her!! Merry

Blimey, Im confused now - you are a bloody genius Merry. It never occurred to me. The age is 4 years out. Never heard of son John. But if he were born 1851 - maybe didnt show on the 1851 census and she dragged him along with her when she married in 1853 to my GGFx2. SO, help me here, he wouldnt show on the 51, on the 61 she was gawd knows where with my GGF James (yes, another one) and possibly this John in tow. William the other son dumped at grans and the two girls with dad. Talk me through it. No, cos she doesnt have James with her in 61, only John. Now is this James with wrong name and age - could it be that much out? He was only a year old.

OOps, 1861 census, that was..... Mary was a stationer (could yours read and write??) I DO LIKE CHARDONNAY!! Thought she might have brought a child into the marriage and then when she was kicked out, she took that child with her? Merry

Where is that Merry? Who is a stationer. The weird thing being James Hanson's father James Hanson (what else?) was a lighterman who suddenly changed career from lighteman in the 1861 to a tobacconist/stationer! But there has never been a John as a son.

Is this her then?????? ''Leave this house immediately (because I'm sleeping with the housekeeper) and take your son (the one that isn't mine) with you......and never darken our door again'' (said Mr H) 1861 John A Hanson abt 1851 London, England ?? St Luke Middlesex Mary A Hanson abt 1827 London, England Head St Luke Middlesex She is married, no hubby, occ stationer. Merry

Val, dont start another thread, I dont think I could cope with two tangents. Mmm, opening another bottle, on my second half price bottle of Tescos chardonnay Merry - shame you dont like it.

''sorry val''- whats that all about? sorry ? you are not sorry at all!!

There you are my little dominatrix: 1841 Census living at Mount Row, Kent Road, Southwark William aged 35 Upholsterer Not born this county Catherine aged 30 Born this county Mary Ann aged 8 not born this county ( 1851 Census living at Bethnal Green William Wyles Head aged 49 letter sorter born Lincoln Burg le Marsh Catherine Wyles Wife aged 39 Upholsterer born Surrey, Lambeth Mary Ann Wyles dau aged 18 Upholsterer born Middlesex St George East Louisa Wyles dau aged 7 ?Scholar born Middx St George Catherine Wyles dau aged 2 Scholar born Middx St

HEATHER....do hurry up! Merry