Genealogy Chat

Hi Suzy Yes, I just tried the same thing. Even searched for the son, but apart from one who was an inmate in some kind of school, not much help there. Zoe - looks like you're having a bit of a psychic day today then LOL Maybe when Ian gets back to us with some more info, we might be able to verify some of this. Leah

Leah The two families in 1891 and 1881 are definately the same - even his Mother's birth place is the same. Question is, are they Ian's family. I looked for a possible death record for his wife Rose, but there are too many. Suzy

Hi girls I definately said Warehouseman first (1891) and I didn't change it. I only said clerk when I posted the 1881. Weird!! Suzy LOL

LOL - I think I'm going loopy now..the clerk bit is mentioned in a later post of hers...how strange. Anyway...I still believe that the family found on the 1881 census is the same as the family on the 1891 census - his mother, Jane, is living with him in 1891 and the birth year is about the same as the Jane in 1881. Too many coincidences, I think., Now, if this is the right Henry...whatever happened to wife Rose?

Leah was replying to Suzy's census find which I'm sure originally said Clerk. Maybe I'm going loopy. Z x

Zoe - not sure that Warehouseman would necessarily mean he was a clerk in the office section. He may have just been doing manual labour in the actual warehouse itself, in which case the jump from one to the other would not be so great. I have various men in my family tree who early on were 'warehousemen', then later on they are a 'labourer'. Leah

Same family in 1881: George Herbert Young abt 1862 Lanarkshire, Scotland Son 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Henry Young abt 1860 Lanarkshire, Scotland Son 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Jane Young abt 1830 Whickham, Durham, England Head 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Jane Young abt 1856 Lanarkshire, Scotland Daughter Henry is a clerk. Not looking good. Suzy

Suzy I looked at that one too - but I think its a really big leap occupation wise to scavenger. A clerk would have been educated and skilled office worker A scavenger/roadsweep is a low grade occupation for the poorest with no education and usually unable to read. I have a whole branch of roadsweepers and not one of them signed their name on a certificate

I thought this might have been him with a previous wife, but his occupation says Warehouseman...still, who knows if he changed jobs at some point? Henry Young abt 1861 Scotland Head Paddington London Horace A Young abt 1890 Paddington, London, England Son Paddington London Jane Young abt 1829 Whickham, Durham, England Mother Paddington London Rose A Young abt 1863 Islington, London, England Wife Paddington London I wonder if Ian knows the names of his grandfather's siblings...that might give us a few clues. Leah

Ian can you also put up the details of father and fathers occupatin from the marriage certificate if you have it Zoe

This is a possibility for 1891: Henry Young abt 1861 Scotland Head Paddington London Horace A Young abt 1890 Paddington, London, England Son Paddington London Jane Young abt 1829 Whickham, Durham, England Mother Paddington London Rose A Young abt 1863 Islington, London, England Wife Paddington London Suzy Occupation though is WAREHOUSEMAN! Mother's name may give us a hand for search on ScotlandsPeople.

okay - tips for anyone trying to find him in 1891 by matching an occupation like me.................. Scavengers were also called Roadmen, Roadsweepers and dustmen - all part and parcel of the same department

Zoe On the 1901 image, it looks like Henry was a 'scavenger'. Suzy

Ian do you have an occupation for him please?

In the meantime...I think I have found Henry Young and wife Ellen in 1901 - is this the one you found, Ian? So they were living together before they married then... Ellen Young abt 1879 London, England Wife St Andrew Holborn and St George the Martyr London Henry Young abt 1862 Scotland Head St Andrew Holborn and St George the Martyr London Leah ps - Kate - yes, didn't think of that LOL

Leah - sorry to say that is slightly naive. He could have had full sisters born before his parents got married! Kate.

The Perth/London thing might not be as odd as it sounds. People often didn't know exactly where and when they were born (not having been very aware of things at the time!), and so if his parents were from Perth, then he might have assumed that he was born up there. As for ScotlandsPeople, although I wouldn't have phrased it the way you did, I can see where you're coming from. Because of the way it's set up, you do need to have a fairly clear idea in advance of what you're looking for. Speculative searches are less-well catered for. However, I was able to use it to confirm details that were in the IGI, even though both the g. g. grandparents concerned appear to have been telling officialdom that they were from Berwickshire when they almost certainly came from Roxburghshire. Given that their names weren't so unusual, I only had an approximate year of birth, and their fathers' names weren't very unusual, either, I was able to find one family with certainty, and narrow the other down to one of two. When they've added the other census years on, it'll become even more useful.

By the way, I usually say I am 'from' Suffolk although I was born in Surrey, to save a detailed explanation of every place my parents lived in my first few years! And Rod Stewart tries to make out he is from Scotland, although he was born down south too. Kate.

Hi Ian When you say you have found your grt grandfather Henry Young on the 1901 census, can you give us the details for this. Who was he living with at that time? A different wife and children? He didn't marry your grt grandmother until 1903 you say, so if you have found him in 1901, how did you pinpoint him down amongst all the other Henry Youngs on there? You also say that your grandfather (son of the above) had elder sisters - if he was the firstborn of the marriage then the sisters would definitely have been half-sisters. Why not post whatever information you have so far on here and any super sleuths can then tackle it when they are bored LOL Regards Leah

Oh, I do have a couple of other tips. - If you get back before 1855 do all your lookups on FamilySearch first because it is free, though you could use Scotland's People to confirm an entry when you have decided it is the right one (images of the 'OPR' entries aren't available on Scotland's People yet anyway so this still won't confirm it 100%) - When searching for a death, do a free search of the wills and testaments first. Kate.