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1871 Henry W Young, Head, M, 29, Glass Cutter, b St George, Surrey Marion Young, Wife, M, 32, b St Luke, Mx Marion Young, Daur, 7, Scholar, b St Luke, Mx Ann Young, Daur, 6, b St Luke Mx Sophy Young, Daur, 3, b St Luke Mx with a couple of lodgers living at 115 Central St, St Luke, Finsbury, London.

God you're good. :) This is getting even more confusing as what my granddad told my family is looking even more mysterious. I wonder if they are from scotland at all?

Rachel, my grandad, Henry Charles Lawrence Young claimed that he and his family were from Scotland so I'm not sure we will find his father in England but it could be possible. I have pintpointed Eliza Ellen Young in 1891. The names of those living with her match the names on the marriage cert. of her father and brother. Name: Eliza Helen Allbrook Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where Born: Chelsea, London, England Civil parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England

1881 Household: Henry W. YOUNG Head W Male 39 Surrey, England Glass Cutter (Mf) Marion YOUNG Daur U Female 17 St Lukes, Middlesex, England General Servant Annie YOUNG Daur U Female 16 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Sophia YOUNG Daur Female 13 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Ruth YOUNG Daur Female 6 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Scholar Henry P. YOUNG Son Male 10 m Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England living at 103 Roseman St, Clerkenwell, London. It looks as though maybe Henry's mum died in childbirth?

Ignore the last message! I've found the 1901 census page that you thought had your Henry Young on it. It can't be him as he says he's 39 and already married to Ellen. From his marriage certificate he should be about 21 in 1901, probably still with his parents, although he could well be a boarder/lodger with other people. Don't take this the wrong way but I think you need to take a deep breath and just calm down a little bit!!! We all get carried away with our trees at times admittedly but without vital details on certificates,etc it's so easy to go down the wrong road. This is a possibilty for his birth from FreeBMD Births Jun 1880 Young Henry Peter Holborn 1b 753 Now, to look for him in the census!

Ian Just to clarify things, are you now sure the man you found on the 1901 census is the same man as is on the marriage cert? Is it same occ, age, etc?

Well well well. I'm glad I took the advice to wait for teh certificate to arrive. It arrived this morning and clears a few things up, ages, names etc I'm still not sure where it actually leads me though. Were we right or wrong? Marriage Date: Thursday 16th November 1903 Name and Surname: Age: Condition: Occ. Henry Peter Young 23 Bachelor Painter Eliza Ellen Allbrook 22 Spinster (Can't quite read) Address: 48 Margaret Street, Clerkenwell Fathers Name: Occupation: Henry William Young (Can't quite read) Looks like 'plan cutter' John Allbrook Chimney Sweep Witness: Charles James Allbrook Can't quite read second name but it looks like Laurna Butlin or something. Can anyone tell me if we found the correct people or point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

Yes, Scots Origins is a free site that offers an alternative way of searching the Scottish section of the IGI. Kate.

I've just remembered I was told that my granddad Henry Charles Laurence (Maybe Lawrence) Young recieved an MBE at some point but it was stolen during a break in a decade ago from my grandma's house. At least that's what my memory tells me so it could be completley different now. Is there a list of all that were awarded MBE's.

I think it is wise to wait until you have more info. It will be a lot cheaper in the end. As I have said before I do all my research on Scotlands people and after talking with others it seems to be one of the cheapest once you know how to use the site. Th e advantage is I don't have to send of for certs after 1855 on any of the bmd or census as I can print straight from the site and it gives a lot of info. If I can be of help when you get more info let me know.

I can't thank you all enough. I'm going to take the advice of Kate and wait until the certificate arrives. I'll concentrate on the other parts of the family tree until then however there seems to be a lot of information linking youngs all together. How far back do the Scottish registers go and how do we go about searching before those dates till we get to William Wallace or some other famous Scot that I've just got to be related too. :)

This is the birth reg for Eliza Ellen! July-Sept 1881 Allbrook Eliza Ellen Chelsea 1a 315

Found Eliza Helen Allbrook in 1891 with her family living in a cottage behind 73 Cheyne Walk, Chelsea. Her age is given as 9 so she would only have been 19 in 1901. Perhaps she had to wait until 1903 to marry without her parents consent. She was the only match I could find for Ellen/ Eliza Ellen/ Eliza Helen. Her father was a chimney sweep.

I still say stop until you get the certificate. Many people have been down this path, tracing somebody back several generations online and then when the certificate arrives they find out they have been wasting their time with the wrong people! They will all still be there when the certificate arrives! Hopefully, when you get it, it will give the name and occupation of Henry's father and then you can find his birth on Scotland's People which will give you his birthplace, perhaps you will find him on one or more censuses on Scotland's People, then you will be better informed to trace him forwards again to England. Kate.

1891 Henry Young abt 1861 Scotland Head Paddington London Horace A Young abt 1890 Paddington, London, England Son Paddington London Jane Young abt 1829 Whickham, Durham, England Mother Paddington London Rose A Young abt 1863 Islington, London, England Wife Paddington London Henry´s occupation warehouseman

1891 Eliza Young abt 1865 St Pancras, London, England Wife Islington London George H Young abt 1863 Scotland Head Islington London George´s occupation advertising agent

I cross referenced census entries by copy and pasting the info into an excel spread sheet on my computer. I searched for Alexander Ross (using a broad birth date range copied those pages into excel Then did the same for his daughter Margaret (I knew her birth range) then I sorted the information by the census page reference number column and that way came up with 4 hits where the two entries were the same - to actually look at the census pages. - lots of work I agree but better than paying for the view of each census page to see if father and daughter were together. My point is that they have the information in their database - it would not take a rocket scientist to offer a 'people on the same page' search thus helping broader searches for families - they could still charge I dont understand why they dont do it - after the data input has already been done! Diana

Is this the family on 1881 Jane Clark abt 1851 Auckuidoire Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Ann Inglis abt 1843 Lanarkshire, Scotland Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Emily Major abt 1863 Plymouth, Devon, England Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Ann Mcallister abt 1841 Bloomsbury Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Ada Morris abt 1863 Plymouth, Devon, England Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England John Perkins abt 1844 Windsor, Berkshire, England Servant 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Louisa Perkins abt 1849 Westminster Servant 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Rebecca Rubee abt 1842 Cork, Ireland Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Mary Jane Whyte abt 1833 Bedfordshire, England Lodger 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England George Herbert Young abt 1862 Lanarkshire, Scotland Son 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London,England Henry Young abt 1860 Lanarkshire, Scotland Son 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Jane Young abt 1830 Whickham, Durham, England Head 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Jane Young abt 1856 Lanarkshire, Scotland Daughter 12 Mortimer St, Marlebone, London, England Occupations Jane senior employer / agent Jane junior teacher Henry clerk upholsters George Herbert clerk advertising agency

Ian I have to tell you something exciting. I've found Henry and Ellen on the 1901 census at 8 Baldwins Place Holborn and their neighbours the Noonans are my great uncle and his family! In 1881 Henry Young with his mother, brother and sister at 12 Mortimer St Marylebone. Mother was an employment agent, sister Jane a teacher, Henry and George both clerks. !n 1891 Henry is in Paddington with wife Ruby.I can't find the street address. I put exactly the same information into Ancestry for each census and he was the best match every time.

Mhairi - Why sneak? Because we're getting married in a few months and apparently the money I've spent can be spent on more important things. ;) How come people on here have look ups available? Are you all that flushed with cash you don't mind paying out for searches for other people. Are you that addicted? :) It's nearly 5am and I've just got back from work so if there are some people willing to search then the names you've provided would be great to wake up to in the morning/afternoon. George H, Henry and Jane in the 1891/1881 census or anywhere there's information really. I'm prepared to do it myself in the afternoon so don't go out of your way. *Goes to bed thinking about how certain people here have restored his faith in humanity compared to the thousands of drunks he's dealt with tonight that had ruined his faith in the first place.*