Genealogy Chat

Wow, things have moved on here. My immediate family, father, uncles and grandparents all lived in derby so its a good chance that John Thomas Gills wife was the one from Derby. All these names and dates have got me confused though. With the extra information of my immediate family living in Derby how does this make the tree and link to the IoM. In fact have they linked. I'm dyslexic so without them neatly written in front of me I struggle to piece them together. Although I'm off to write them all down. :D

Could this be Roberts marriage Zoe? Robert gill Liverpool Dec 1890 8b 370 robert Gill Liverpool Sept 1891 8b 68

I like the look of this one in 1901 of course all speculation without a marriage certificate: Harriet Gill abt 1900 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire John Gill abt 1894 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Mary Gill abt 1872 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife West Derby Lancashire Mary Gill abt 1893 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter West Derby Lancashire Robert Gill abt 1871 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head West Derby Lancashire Robert Gill abt 1897 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son West Derby Lancashire Sarah Owen abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Sister West Derby Lancashire

Got the b*ggers (sorry Ian - thought I was on a wild goose then) 1916 March quarter John T gill to Annie Hart - W Derby - 8b 561 which would fit with your birth being the W Derby one in 1924

going by John thomas living in Liverpool i found these births john thomas gill prescot mar 1896 8b 659. john thomas gill west Derby sept 1896 8b 357 john thomas J gill west derby sept 1900 8b 357(transcribed as 8h but should be 8b) i will double check on 1837 because the last two are the same eveywhere but different years...MOE! checked and amended

Given up on births - I did up to 1928 now searching for marriages of John Gill to matching maiden name - done 1924 and working backwards

LOL...... zoe, you can imagine the registrar at the wedding 'are you a Gill or a Gell?' William says 'well i am a Gilll she is a Gell' 'or is it the other way round, ,,,,,MOE!

Moe I thought enough of the names and ages matched to make it likely that the enumerator was so up to his ears in Gill's and Gell's he put the name down wrong - i could be mistaken tho - I'm willing to be corrected Zoe

Zoe, on your thread before you mentioned that Gill could also be Gell.On Family search both these names are well established on the island Gell dating back over 150 years, do you think that was just a wierd coincidence?,,,,,,MOE!

I'm looking forward for the other childrens names to match a mother done 1925/6/7

Not sure if this helps or is a hindrance Qtr 4 1924 Births Ronald Gill W.Derby 8b 917 Mothers maiden name Hart Ronald H Gill Bradford 9b 127 Mothers maiden name Gill Ronald S Gill Hammersmith 1a 260 Mothers maiden name Smith Maureen

thought I remembered the names from ian's thread about thother bit of his family: Ronald Gill was born 30 Nov 1924 which gives three possibilities on ancestry BETA Mothers maiden name = Hart (W derby), Gill (Bradford) or Smith (Hammersmith)

Ian was your grandfather from teh Isle of Man? if not can you narrow down the likely places for him? Zoe

Ian where was your grandad/great grandad born? was it the IoM or Liverpool? there are a few john Gills on the 1911 trade directory,(Liverpool) i will put them on anyway, you may recognise an address, John Gill 32 Lamb St kirkdale.N John Gill 22 Hale Rd Walton N john Gill Bookbinder 8 Cameron St E John Gill Clerk 11 Streatham Ave Toxteth Park. John Gill Dockgateman 62 Bentinek St Birkenhead. John Gill Painter 99 Alwyn st S John Gill Police constable 69 Wharncliffe rd Old Swan. John Gill Seaman 13 gothic rd Rock Ferry Mrs Annie Gill Brooklyn 9 Meols Drive hoylake Mrs Annie Gill 40 Copley St Everton Mrs Annie Gill Broker 102 Soho St

OMG is there really a Gill with the name Caesar? That's so weird. I play american football for the Nottingham Caesars. One of the little things we like to say is 'Caesar till we die.' It looks like he was a Caesar till he died. :) This side of the family is the one I'm struggling to get very far with which is unfortunate as it's my surname and the one I'd like to go the furthest with.

Sorry Ian, I'm admitting defeat here .... the only dates you have are too (ahem!) recent! None of the free online resources can deal with this - and I'm out of guesses! GILL is a pretty common surname on the Isle of Man (and elsewhere) so there are no easy pickings - guess you might have realised that too! Isle of Man BMDs are not listed on FreeBMD - yay, I've learnt something new today!! The way forward as I'm sure you know is to find a marriage cert for your Gt Grandparents ... which is probably in about 1920. Then you'll at least have a name from your Gtx2 Grandpa - hopefully he'll have been called something really unusual like Leopold and then we can find him easily. (You think I jest - there's one IoM GILL family member with a 'Caesar' as his middle name!!) Hope you haven't been mugged by your 2-year old yet ..... and happy hunting! Jane

Ian, OK thanks ... that means I'm looking for a John Thomas born around 20+ years earlier .... Jane

sorry just realise that i hadn't added dates. That's the problem with ahving a two year old crawling over you. Grandad was born 30/11/1924 As to his parents I have no idea

Ian, Any dates? Like when your grandfather was born ... Jane

Were struggling here to get past my great granddad. John Thomas Gill = Annie (Not sure of her surname) They had 5 children Jean, Ronald (My grandfather), Charles, Edward and Tommy My dad remembers meeting John Thomas in Liverpool so we presume he lived there.