Genealogy Chat

Hi yes ive spoken to Lynda shes lovely but I must inform her she has eliza has emma sister and the 3 children belonging to eliza from dher and george butler soz cant help out anymore at the moment with davies alter but my davies are just difficult not just cause they are davies

Susan-there is only one person with the surname davies noted as a milkman in the northwest area-and its too early by 20 years and in liverpool,the family born in abergaveney- its possible that occupations get muddled from generation to generation. The john davies I found in seacombe was definitely born there along with 2 of the other children but the parents come from salop.The father is a bootmaker. Its possible that he was living in birkenhead ,liscard ,wallasey -these places are all very close especially the last 2 to seacombe,but without any other evidence i cant pin him down.

The apologies should be all mine Susan,for I have been checking through my contacts,and it was to Lynda McCleery who I explained about Emma Judson.You have of course been in contact with her. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham.

Sorry william dont think i had picked it up if you had Sorry Alter I put that message on and turned off the computer If you give me a couple of days I will go through my tree tidying it up as best I can I have just spoke to my grandad George Herbert Davies his dad John Davies known has Secombe Jack His sister Sissy(Think spelt right)married Ted Foreshaw and he also said that his Grandad Secombe jacks dad was a milkman cant remember name yet but will go through tree and do a bit of spring cleaning!!!!ready for the leaves to come through xx Thanks Alter and William Please forgive me for my untidyness thanks loads sue

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This is the bottom line on Emma Judson.She is listed as Butler incorrectly in the 1891 Census,at the home of George Butler and Elisa Nee Judson.She is listed as 8 years old.George and Eliza did not marry until 1884,therefore Eliza had Emma before she was married.In the 1901 Census Emma is listed as a Servant,with her correct name and year of birth.Susan I thought I had gone through all this with you before. Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham

thats having kids no doubt-do you want me to guide you through anything in the next hour?

Im sat at computer but my eyes are shutting its not even 9.30

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thanks will do got a few probs this end at min will do asap thanks sue

NOTE : when doing any ancestry searches,bmd's and census come under 4 possible counties-CHESHIRE,FLINTSHIRE,SHROPSHIRE,and DENBIGHSHIRE

Susan-before I go any further can you tidy up your tree with the changes-ie Wallasey isntin scotland,additional marriage dates info-its worth putting in the cert references in the details section for future use if needed. Also go through the women ensuring only maiden/birth surnames are inserted in the box-it starts to look like siblings are marrying each other !! ref Jack davies 1921 as an example. Also the emma judson thing is not clear on your tree-that ann you talk about isnt on the tree.

YOUR GRANDFATHER GEORGE DAVIES Birth Cert details =George H. Davies june Quarter 1920 Bhead 8a 1165

Queries- re WILLIAMS FAMILY Percy-was he Percy Eric Williams- we need middle names where possible-williams is a very common name-and his birth might be just outside the last census. FINALLY FOUND MARRIAGE Emma judson married Thomas williams Ellesmere 6a 710 dec.quarter 1905 MARRIAGE CERT **** this makes the childrens births wrong perhaps except ethel.

Im so sorry ok My gran ethel williams her mum and dad were emma judson and tom williams emma died I think about the age of 35 my gran ethel was only a tot she died as a result of a fire she had been ill put goose fat on her fell with the candle and she went up she died aprox 3 weeks later thats what ive been told so eliza was with george where as ann married whilst having the butler children so emma was a judson sorry so complicated thanks sue

THE BUTLER FAMILY dates dont tally with any census,and suspect word of mouth lacks accuracy- cant find the kids and the name is common. Problem of course is the english/welsh border etc.

EMMA JUDSON *** this lady in your tree was not born in Wales she was born Sep.Quarter 1882 Ellesmere 6a 710>>>>>BIRTH CERT will get you the info you need re parents. she doesnt show up later- can you clarify this name etc .

sue -that part re Emma Judson is unclear-how is she called judson but her siblings are called butler?Also- the only emma judson I can find marrying at that time is in yorkshire.??

What an angel you are you are right about jumping all over the tree but when your mum is giving info I have to put it down as my nan did the same nows she has gone Im regretting not have put it all down I appreciate any help and you have give me some sound advice Any learners like me MY ADVICE DONT BE AFRAID TO ASK THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP IF YOU ASK Thanks Alter Ego Best wishes Sue PS MY gran up there Ethel Davies is asking me to ask you to help me look into Emma Judson her mother Her mother died when my gran was very young and I know my gran wants me to put flowers on her mums grave tomorrow know it sounds daft but I went to Hanmer and thats how I fely except we dont know where her grave is any ideas where I ask thanks so much sue and her relations!!!

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