Genealogy Chat

Brilliant, thanks very much, Mike. You'll be glad when this one's sorted, won't you?

Greeting's Again Mary...... OK I'll check that one out at the Records Office then ... GRO Site has it down as:- April. May. Jun. Qrt. 1854. William Screaton. Barrow Upon Soar District. Cert No. 7 a. 155. Along with the marriages of :- William North ~ Elizabeth Sharp.1829. William North ~ Eizabrth Biddle. 1824. Both Rothley. Sorry ...I was only trying to get thing's clear in my mind .... MIKE.

Hi Mike, Yes, I had all the census details, thanks, I was trying not to overload you with information :-) I also had the death of Mary's husband James Screaton in 1852, which I mentioned in an earlier message. This was why I was doubtful about the parentage of William, because there was no reason why William Senior and Mary couldn't have got married before 1858. The birth certificate I sent off for was the William North born in the 4th quarter of 1854, reg. Barrow on Soar 7a 130. The GRO said that the father was not William and the mother was not Mary or Jane. That one's probably the birth you found earlier: William North. Christened 15th. Oct. 1854. Syston. Father :- Joseph North.....a Bricklayer. Mother :- Eliza. This is why I asked a couple of messages back if you could check out the William Screaton born in Barrow in q2 1854; I'm beginning to think that William North wasn't actually his father, but acccepted him as his son when he married Mary.

Greeting’s Again Mary from Italy….. Done a bit of shuffling about using GRO & my disks Interesting Screaton Burial found :- ROTHLEY. SCREATON. JAMES. 12. MAR. 1852. Aged. 36. Also.... not sure if you have seen this 1851. Census Return for Rothley. ? 1851. Census. HO 107. / 2087. / 374. / Pages. 18 ~ 19. Indexed as SCRATON on Ancestry site. ( but clear Screaton on Image. ) Rothley. Wood – Gate. ( Which runs into Cross Green were Willian North age 20 is with Parents William & Elizabeth on the same Census. ) James Screaton. Head. Mar. 36. Bricklayer Master. Emp. 3 Bricklayers & 3 Lab’s. b. Gaddesby Leicestershire. MARY Wife. 36. b. Rothley. Page 19. Caroline. Dau. 10. Bricklayer’s Daughter. B Rothley. Frederick. Son. 7. Scholar. b. Ditto. Mary. Dau. 3. b Rothley. Also within the same Household. William Parkinson. Brother – in – Law. 40. Draper. b. Rothley. So is the Dau. Mary Aged 3. The same one as “ Mary Screaton “ Dau. aged 13. on the 1861. Down as a William’ North’s Daughter. (which should have been “ Step Dau “ ) Seeing James died in 1852. So was the William NORTH. Son aged 6.on the 1861. Census. the Illegitimate Child of William & Mary ? Which would make him a Son of William Head of Household. on that 1861. Census.as William & Mary are now Married ? So does this take us back to the Birth recorded in 1854.:- Jan Qrt. 1854. William North. Barrow – Upon – Soar. District. Cert No. 7 a. 147. Or Oct. Qrt. 1854. William North. Barrow – Upon – Soar. District. Cert No. No. 7 a. 130. You have not said which one you have already sent for So not sure which one it is …. MIKE.

Hi Mary, Thanks for the memory refresh - it all comes back to me now!! Yes my tree went west with the Gedcom mess - it should be back shortly, at least it uploaded this time. I changed the info on my William Screaton to William North it seems - that will teach me to be more patient. Thanks Paul

Hi Paul, I hadn't realised it was you posting earlier - in fact I was about to send you a PM. Actually you did have that William Screaton. After it occurrred to me that my William might be Mary's illegitimate son and I started searching for William Screatons, I remembered that somebody had mentioned the name before, and looked up our exchange of messages. I said: Where did you find William Screaton, son of James and Mary Screaton, born 1854 died 1867? I haven't found a child of that name, but my great-grandfather William North, son of Mary Screaton née Parkinson and William Wood North, was born in 1854. Could they be the same person? And you replied: I appear to have the wrong info on William, born 1854. My information came from a Screaton researcher in Canada, who I think has made a mistake. There is both a William North and a William Screaton with a birth registered in Barrow on Soar district in 1854, although different quarters. I will change my information to match yours. *** After that I sent off for the birth certificate of the William North I thought was mine, and it turned out not to be (wrong parents), so I called on Mike for his help. It looks as though your original information may have been right, except that if William Screaton = William North, he died much later. I tried to check on your tree again earlier today, but it seems to have been swallowed up in the GR malfunction.

Hi again Mary, I would be very interested in any information re this new William Screaton. I don't have him amongst my 700 Screatons (I do have William North though - from your tree). Paul

Thanks Mike, I look forward to the results. Paul

Thanks Mike. I think I might be onto something - a William Screaton was born in Barrow in q2 1854 (the year our family Bible gives for William's birth), and there's no matching death. Could you possibly look up the parents of that one? I bet it's Mary with no father named.

Greeting's & Welcome Paul..... Sorry..... I have not forgotten you ..... Yes...I can help you I've printed off your request and I can confirm it took place via my Marriage Index disk and I'll have a look for the original Register next time I'm at the Records Office....I usually go Thursday's.... ' WATCH THIS SPACE ' MIKE.

Greeting's Again Mary The below is the Baptism Entry for the William North who GOT married not his Father.... ( Working on that one ) Fiche No. DE 996. / 6. Envelope No. 1. of 2. Rothley. Page. 56. Entry No. 441. 24th. January. 1831. William. Son of William & Elizabeth. North. Father a Carrier. Tho. H. Madge. Curate. As I said they seem to baptist them latter on from birth ...lol I'll print off your thoughts re Marriages etc and see if I can nail it this time .... MIKE.

Just had an idea - maybe William North was Mary Screaton's illegitimate son, and only took the surname North after she married William Wood? I hadn't thought to check for that before. There is a William Parkinson registered in Barrow in 1854 (Mary's maiden name was Parkinson), but someone of the same name died in the same quarter, so we can probably discount him. No William Screaton birth between 1851 and 1861 in FreeBMD, so I'll trawl through Ancestry and see what I can find.

Oh dear, sorry I sounded impatient! I'm afraid this doesn't take us much further. William North's father has to be the William Wood North named in William's marriage certificate, so the John and Eliza are no help. I forgot to remind you that he may well have been christened at the Rothley Baptist church - was that included in your search? I can well believe how many William Norths there were in Rothley - they seem to make up half the population. I'm a bit puzzled about the birth you've found for his father William Wood North, too. The date you've found is 24/1/1831, but the date of birth given in the Rothley Baptist list is 22/6/1830. Is your date the birth or the christening, though? If it's the christening, that'd make sense. William Wood North was a carrier though, although at some point he switched to being a butcher. It'd certainly be great if you could check the Elizabeth Sharpe/Biddles marriage when you have time. Thanks for all your help.

Greeting’s Again Mary from Italy…… Sorry to keep you waiting… You would not believe how many William North births in Rothley there was …. Right…. Think this is the William North from the Marriage Cert posted…… Fiche No. DE 996. / 6. Envelope No. 1. of 2. Rothley. Page. 56. Entry No. 441. 24th. January. 1831. William. Son of William & Elizabeth. North. Father a Carrier. Tho. H. Madge. Curate. The Birth fourth quarter 1858. :- Fiche No. DE 3938. / 1. Envelope No. 1. of two. Rothley. Page. 56. Entry.441. 29th. May.1859. William born. 8th. Dec. 1856 John & Eliza. North. Frame Work Knitter. Next entry. No. 442. Same date as above. Benjamin. Born 29th. 1st. April. 1856. John & Eliza North . N.B. It did not state “ Son of “ for the above two entries…..Ummmm ? Was hoping to find the William aged 6 on that Census return Christening ..... But is seems that most of the Baptisms I saw were held some time well after the births Sounds like the Minster was on a recruitment campaign…lol Did not have enough time to check out Marriages of William ~ Elizabeth Sharpe. Rothley 1829. William ~ Elizabeth Biddle 1824. So that next time …. Sorry for the delay Hope I have helped in some way But feal I have not hit the nail on the head ? MIKE.

Ralph, if any of your Pyms are from Hoby/Melton area, I'm in touch with a Pym who's researching them.

ELAINE..... It's on the Tips board currently on page 7. Does anybody have a cert for Ashby De le Zouch ....Tom Connelly He has several threads going at the moment MIKE.

Thanks, Mike. < waiting with bated breath >

** EYES DOWN *** F.A.O. …SUE of Lincolnshire. It’s JANE…….. Fiche No. DE 1445. / 1. 2. of 2 Envelopes. Countesthorpe. St. Andrews Parish Church. 5th. December. 1703. Joseph Burley . ~ Jane Tailor. This is all that is written in what appears to be the Minster’s Pocket Book. Baptisms.. Burials & Marriages. All together on the one page. In Ye oldie English writing as well What a nightmare to read…. F.A.O. Ralph…… Mixed results I’m afraid….. NO Burials found for a Jane Pym. In the Village of Kegworth.1833 through to 1842. But Did find these two interesting Entries:- KEGWORTH> Fiche No. DE 1287. / 22. Page. 108. Entry. No. 863. 19th. January. 1839. Joseph Pym. Kegworth. INFANT. ( usually indicates = Still birth ? ) Page. 113. Entry. 890. 29th. October. 1840. John Pym. Kegworth. INFANT. Minster for both Burials…. B. Brewitt. Curate. I did trawl through Castle Donington Parish Burials for the same period But drew a blank. So did these two Infant Deaths tip both Jane and the Marriage over the edge ? Next time I’ll continue looking round the other villages known to be used by the Pym’s MIKE, Mary of Italy .... I need to sort and type yours out....

Hi Mike, I wonder if you can help with the details of a marriage at St Margarets in 1825 please. The marriage was between Thomas Oram and Sarah Allen on 14 August 1825. They were my 3x greatgrand parents. Thanks Paul

Mike Where was that message about John Davenport the registrar? I have found him on one of my certificates but can't find the original message. Funny isn't it, my aunty came to see me yesterday and was telling me about the family meal they had at The Red Lion in Rothley the other week, turns out once she remarried she lived down the road in Rothley village and I never knew even though I went past her house to see a friend every week, family history has got us all meeting up again but I can't believe how close I was to her house and not seeing her for nearly 20 years! Elaine