Genealogy Chat

Hi Mike MOORE Joseph's birth is a possibility but there were so many Joseph's born to Joseph's.....! BURROWS Yes that is definitely Emily's family - although between Charles and Sidney there were another three children who presumably died. James and Caroline ne Taylor are definitely Samuel's parents, and William is likely to be their son (right age). Thomas at 33 is about ten years too old according to my information. I didn't spot Thomas and william when I had access to 1901 so thanks for that! I was pointed in the right direction on the IGI and managed to find baptisms for Caroline's siblings and even the marriage of her grandparents John Taylor and Ann Osborn! Cheer s mike - grateful for anything else you can unearth!

Greeting’s Again Jan…. Below are the only BURROWS Burials found for Stoney Stanton 1813. ~ 1891.. Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Notes. Burrows William Thomas 7 May 1867 Inf Burrows Eliza Ann 16 Sept 1874 3 Burrows Samuel Henry 28 Aug 1890 1Mth So Samuel Henry could well be one of those three You mentioned between Charles & Sidney…… Time permitting I'll have a look this Thursday whist I'm at Records Office..... MIKE.

Hi Mike William and Eliza could be children of James and Caroline - I've got their birth dates as 'about' 1869 and 1875 respectively. Samuel Henry - his birth date (from family Bible) was 21 Mar 1897 - which doesn't match and in the Bible he's just plain Samuel; some of other children have middle names given eg George Henry and Sydney Francis. Appreciate your 'digging' on my behalf! Jan

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*** F.A.O.***...... Jan Moore... Checked out ALL churches for Whitwick St. Johns, Andrew's, & St. Georges for Marriage Joseph & Emily But drew a blank....Sorry.... Only another 29 Parishes to go.... for Ashby De La Zouch District .....:o/ Also checked out Coalville ( Christ Church ) Thringstone & Stoney Stanton just in case.... Talking of Stoney Stanton ..... Confirmation of Baptism & Birth .. Page. 18. Entry No. 138. 18th. December. 1906. born 26th. Oct 1906. Emily Dau of Samuel & Mary Elizabeth Burrows. Plate layer. By me :- A.W. Disney. Rector. Will have to carry on trawling for Marriage will update you soon..... MIKE.

Mike At least it wasn't my poor eyesight then!!! I can't think where else they might have married that makes any kind of sense - sorry I'm not more help. Thanks for Emily's baptism - another little nugget! Jan

Mike Greetings again from Kent. If you hold BT's for 1837 births (probably St Margarets) could you let me have the Mother of Joseph TOM(P)KINS, I am hoping it shows either Ann STEVENS or Ann RENNIE. Hope for better luck on this one, it is the same Joseph we could not find a marriage date for !!!. Regards Jon

Greeting’s Again John …. Records online for St. Margaret’s only goes up to 1835….Sugarlumps !!!!! But how about these ? JOSEPH STEVENS TOMKINS Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 26 AUG 1835 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England Parents: Father: THOMAS TOMKINS Mother: ANN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JOSEPH TOMKINS Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 19 APR 1837 Saint George, Leicester, Leicester, England Parents: Father: THOMAS TOMKINS Mother: ANN MIKE.

Mike On the ball as always. Will now accept that the mother of Joseph was Ann STEVENS. The obvious question now is why two sons within two years both called Joseph ?, I can see no death record for the first born. 2. Josephs father was Thomas TOMKINS b C1810, do you have any parential details for him please ?. Many thanks Mike Jon

Greeting's Again John..... Try this for size ?.......... St. George's Parish Church.Burials :- TOMKINS JOSEPH 08 MAY 1836 INF Remember records didn't start till 1837. So it would only show up via Parish Burial registers. This explains naming the second son Joseph in 1837. I'll have to do a bit of fretting for the second part of your question re Thomas c 1810..... Father of Joseph ... Do you know if he was born (1910 )in Leicester or Leicestershire ? MIKE.

Hi Mike and sorry about this John,,,, Just couln't help myself. St Georges Church,,,Ahhhh,,,many memories of a 5 year old attending St Georges infant school and having a nap in the churchyard on camp stretchers in the warmer weather,, Good luck with the research John Kate,, Waving to Mike as she flys by,,,

Greetings again Mike. Yes, the death of the INF Joseph resolves problem 1. Thank you. I cannot be 100% sure that Thomas TOM(P)KINS was Leicester or Leics born but I am sure that the date c1810 is correct. The TOM(P)KINS clan moved from the Kettering (Northants) area sometime around 1800. FAO Kate in OZ. Good to see your comment Kate, we must both be 'oldies' as I also remember kipping down on camp stretchers in my early school days. It is often little comments that Mike unwittingly makes regarding Leicester locations that are very nostalgic to 'ex pats', long may it continue. Mike has such a vast knowledge of Leicester and connected Genealogy, what he does not have he will endeavour to find. Regards John

John, I don't suppose you have Elizabeth Tom(p)kins, b. Leicester c1839 in your tree, do you? She married a Squires (possibly), and then my William North. Parents William and Mary, sister Leah.

Greeting’s Again John….. Although variation on the spelling of Surname is not a match Years do match…… 1841. Census HO 107. 604. Book. 12. / Folder.14. / Page. 29. St. Margaret’s & Bishops Fee. Stamford Street. Hincks Yard. Thomas Tompkins. 30. Lab. Ann. 30. JOSEPH. 4. James. 2. ALL Born within the County Same Family ? But Parish of birth for Children different ? …… 1851 Census 2088/ 409. / 4. / 15./ Leicester. Lower Charles Street. No. 6. Halford Square Thomas Tompkins Head M 41 M BREWER LEI MARKFIELD Ann Tompkins Wife M 40 F LEI WARTNABY Joseph Tompkins Son U 14 M SHOEMAKERS APP LEI SMGT James Tompkins Son 12 M LEI SMGT Sarah A Tompkins Dau 8 F LEI SMGT Matilda Tompkins Dau 5 F LEI SMGT Both above Addresses very close to St. Georges Church…… ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom(p)kin(s) with in the City of Leicester 1851. With connections to Northamptonshire. 1851. Again close to St. Georges Church.:- 2090. / 580. / 15. / 63. Leicester. York Street. John Tomkins Head M 59 M SUPER INVALID NTH KETTERING Sophia Tomkins Wife M 82 F HOUSEHOLD WORK LEI LEICESTER Charles Billson Lodg W 75 M RET. HOSIER LEI LEICESTER 1851. Leicester 2089. / 483. / 16. / 71.. St. Margaret’s parish. Off Sanvey Gate. No. 57. Needle Street. Samuel Tomkins Head M 52 M FWK NTH KETTERING Elizabeth Tomkins Wife M 50 F FWK SCT Ann Tomkins Dau U 29 F SEAMER LEI LEICESTER John Tomkins Son U 27 M FWK LEI LEICESTER William Tomkins Son U 18 M FWK LEI LEICESTER Joseph Tomkins Son 12 M WINDER LEI LEICESTER Elizabeth Tomkins Dau U 20 F FANCY STITCHER (HOSIERY) LEI LEICESTER Louisa Tomkins Gdau 11 F SEAMER LEI LEICESTER Rachel Tomkins Dau 10 F SEAMER LEI LEICESTER James Tomkins Son 8 M WINDER LEI LEICESTER Ambrose Tomkins Son 6 M LEI LEICESTER Eliza Tomkins Gdau 2 F LEI LEICESTER Although NO connection with Northamptonshire Within the same Street 2089. / 15. / 68. No 31. Needle Street. Thomas Tomkins Head M 31 M FWK LEI LEICESTER Selina Tomkins Wife M 35 F WORSTED SPINNER LEI LEICESTER The choice is yours as to which one we follow ? MIKE. * Waves back to Kate in Oz...* Chin up M' Duck..(((( HUGS ))).

Mike Again many thanks. I think I will go for the Thomas TOMPKINS b Markfield, if you could possibly identify his parents I would be extremely grateful and a long standing problem resolved. John

FAO Mary from Italy. Elizabeth not in my tree, her parents were from Pickwell in Leicestershire, most of my Tomkins are from the city. I have done some research on your query which should help. The 1871 census shows Elizabeth, although married she is back with her parents listed in her married name of SQUIRES, research shows that she married Amos SQUIRES Dec qtr 1865 (7a389), sadly I also noticed a death report for Amos SQUIRES also DEC qtr of the same year - poor Elizabeth -. Hope this gives you something to clarify I think you will find it all fits in. Regards John

That's very useful, John, thanks very much indeed. I'd been looking for Elizabeth's marriage to a Squires, but I hadn't started looking on the full index, which I assume is where you found it. My William Wood North lost his wife Mary Screaton (who Mike may remember) in 1879, and married Elizabeth in 1880.

Mike and Paul, thought you might be interested to know that the Screaton birth certificate arrived today. As I guessed in my last message, William appears to have been Mary Screaton's illegitimate child. He was born in Rothley on 11th June 1854, she's listed as his mother and the informant, and there's no father listed. William Wood North may have been his father, as he's listed as the father in the censuses and on William junior's marriage certificate, but as he was a bachelor and Mary was a widow in 1854, they could easily have married to avoid a scandal, so I'm assuming William Wood North wasn't the father, and took on another man's child when he married Mary in 1858. I've added a partner called 'unknown' to Mary on my tree, and put William as his son. I'll try and contact the Rothley Baptist Church to see i f there's any more information on the baptism certificate, assuming he was baptised there. Paul, I'll PM you if you don't reply here. Mary

*** F.A.O. *** John O ’ Kent. Following visit to the Records Office today Mixed Results I’m afraid….:o/ Confirmation of Baptisms Leicester. St. George’s Parish Church. Page. 251. Entry No. 2008. 26th. August. 1835. Joseph Stevens.Tomkins. Son of Thomas & Ann TOMKINS. Labourer. Belvoir Street., E. Henanby Vicar. Leicester. St. George’s Parish Church. Page. 12. Entry. No. 89. 19th. April. 1837. Joseph. Son of Thomas & Ann TOMKINS. Labourer. Hincks Square. Stanford Street. E. Henanby Vicar. The down side ….. I did trawl the Parish Registers for Markfield 1801. Through to 1815. But NO sign of any TOMKINS events what’s so ever…. Sorry…… *** F.A.O.*** Jan Moore. Sorry still no sign of the marriage of Joseph Moore & Emily Burrows 1926. Ashby De La Zouch District. We only have another 10 Parishes to go next time … Sorry…… *** F.A.O.*** Mary O’ Italy……. Sounds if your getting nearly there now … Lets just hope the Minster for the Baptist Church Can come up trumps for you …. Well Done …… MIKE.

Hi Mary, Thanks for that information. Looks like you are almost there with the mystery. Would you be able to send me copies of William's birth and marriage certs if I send you my e-mail address via PM? Whilst William, the younger, is not actually related to me the certs should allow me to eliminate his descendants from my research as there are still quite a few Screatons around in Leicestershire. You are welcome to any information that I have, which is all on my web site. I will send the url in the PM. Paul