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I don't think the Norths ever colonised Husbands Bosworth, Mike, but the place is full of Berries :-)

Greeting's Again Mary..... Here's your starter for ten then ...lol : o))) :- Burials for Husbands Bosworth. Names./ dates./ Ages./ Notes. BERRY CLARY 05 APR 1819 13 DAUGHTER OF JAMES AND MARY BERRY THOMAS 27 FEB 1831 29 BERRY MARY 16 APR 1838 20MTHS BERRY JOHN 16 MAY 1847 40 BERRY WALTER WILLIAM 26 JUN 1853 15WKS K.C.B. BERRY JOHN 16 NOV 1858 9 BERRY MARY 11 FEB 1861 83 BERRY JOHN 24 SEP 1863 34 BERRY WILLIAM 29 MAY 1885 75 Not sure what K.C.B. stands for... Husbands Bosworth Marriages.:- BERRY. Ann. ~ William Weston. 8th. Nov.1835. By Banns. Elizabeth. ~ Henry Ridley. 23.April. 1815. By Banns. Elizabeth. ~ Thomas-Tebbatt.-Wells. 1823. By Banns. Elizabeth. ~ William Cave. 5th. Nov.1828. By Banns. Lydia. ~ William Cox. 27th. Jun.1831. By Banns. Sarah. ~ James Smith. 1833. By Banns. Thomas. ~ Ann Green. 1825. By Banns. William. ~ Sophia Wells. 9th. Nov.1835. By Banns. John.~ Sarah Pywell. 22 Jul. 1793. By Banns. Peter. ~ Eleanor Lockings. 25th. Feb. 1783. By Banns. Thomas. ~ Lydia Steans. 11th. Jun. 1756. By Banns. ( The above on another disk down as 23rd. May.1756. in the Parish of Swinford. ) Thomas. ~ Hannah Hefford. 25th. Sept. 1785. By Banns. MIKE.

Hi Mike, When you are at Wigston this week, can I ask you to look up another marriage please. This one was in Desford on 29 Dec 1828 between Mary Upton and Daniel Grudgings. I need to confirm Mary's father in particular, it is either Thomas or John. The reason for the confusion is that there were 2 Mary Uptons baptised in Desford in 1806, one on 5 Mar 1806 with parents John and Mary, the other on 23 Nov 1806 with parents Thomas and Mary. Although I think that Thomas and John were brothers. Regards Paul in Oz

Greeting’s Again Paul….. OK….. got those details printed off. I did have a whiz around my disks etc Although the Marriage is recorded on two separate resources No mention of Parents names..:0))) Ummm 29th. Dec 1829. was a Monday…. 5th. March. 1806. was Wednesday. 23rd. November 1806. was a Sunday. Had hoped the 1841. Census might throw some more light on it…. But I see that the names of the Children to Daniel & Mary :- Daniel. 11. Lucy. 10. Oliver. 6. Hannah. 4. Dorothy. 2. So no help there .... Interesting Marriage found :- Thomas Grudgings. ~ Mary Sheepy. 12th. June. 1671. Frolesworth. Notes. Thomas A weaver. of the Parish of Peckleton. ( Next Village to Desford ) Mary of Frolesworth. Occupation goes with that of Needle Maker For Daniel ….. MIKE.

Thanks Mike, It gets even more confusing when you see how many John and Thomas Uptons there were. Most of the Upton families named 2 of their sons' John and Thomas so we have brothers John and Thomas Upton each having sons called John and Thomas and when they are also both married to Marys and each have a daughter Mary - the mind boggles!!! At least my direct line comes from a William Upton - his father John Upton had 3 sons, got to be lucky some times. Paul

*** F. A. O. Paul *** Desford Parish Marriage details 1828. Fiche No. DE 370. / 11. St. Martin’s Parish Church. Page. 36. Entry. No. 108. Daniel Grudgings. Bachelor. Needle Maker of the Parish of Ratby. Mary Upton. Spinster of this Parish. Married in this Church by Banns By me :- John Fry. Rector. This Twenty ninth day of December. In the year One Thousand Eight Hundred Twenty Eight. Daniel signed by his own signature Mary by her own Mark = X Wit’s;- Wm. Grudgings. Lucy ? Upton. By her Mark. = + If you click on my name on here and send me a PM with your full E-mail address. Then I can send you the Scanned Entry of this Marriage Register for the Parish of Desford. Then you can See the Name for yourself …… Lucy is the name three viewers from The Head of Archives to two supervisors came up with Must be part of the family though has Daniel & Mary named a Daughter after this name But trawled the Christening for a Lucy in Desford 1760. ~ 1812. but drew a blank I’m sorry to say…… Baptisms I did note :- Children of John & Mary Upton. Martha..29.Aug. 1802 Sarah.. 18. Jun.1804. MARY. 5. Mar.1806. Charles. 31. Aug. 1809. Children of Thomas & Mary Upton. Susannah. 2.Jan. 1805. MARY. 23. Nov. 1806. Cornelius. 12. May. 1811. Gabriel. 18. May. 1913. Joseph. 4. Sept. 1814. Thomas. 21. Mar. 1915. John. 31.Aug. 1917. Gabriel. 5. April. 1819. Elizabeth. 11. Nov. 1921. Other Look up ….. Fiche No. 24D65./ D10. 4th envelope of Five. St. Margaret’s Church Leicester. Page. 221. Entry No. 663. Thomas Oram. Bachelor of this Parish. Sarah Allen. Spinster of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me Robert Barnaby. Curate. Sarah her Mark = + Thomas by his own Signature. This Fourteenth Day of August One Thousand Eight Hundred Twenty Eight. Wit’s Ilife Goade. Ann Dales. By her Mark = + OH YES …Upton Burial For Desford.…. John Upton. 28th. April. 1811. AGED. 102. Hope this is of help… MIKE.

*** F.A.O. Mary from Italy. *** Fiche No. 996. / 12. 1st Envelope of two. Rothley Parish Church. Page. No. 57. Entry No. 170. William North. Bachelor of this Parish. Elizabeth Sharpe. Spinster of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me :- J.G. Breay. Curate. This Twenty fifth day of December. One Thousand Eight Hundred Twenty Four. Both signed by their own signatories. Wit’s :- William Spencer. Jos. North. I Think the Wits were part of the Church as they appear on several Entries ? Page. 73. Entry. No. 219. William North WIDOW. Of this Parish. Elizabeth Biddle. Spinster of South Mountsorrel In this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me :- Tho. A. Marge. Curate. This Eighteenth Day of February In the year of One Thousand Eight Hundred Twenty Nine. William by his Mark. = X. Elizabeth by her own Signature. Wit’s :- Sarah North. Jos. North. I’m still to find the William Screaton Christening April. May. June Qrt. 1854. Barrow District Cert No. 7 a. 155. But drew a blank for Rothley Parish for now But will continue Thursday now. MIKE.xx

Excellent, Mike, thanks very much. So he married them both! Thanks for the stuff about the Berries of Husbands Bosworth, by the way. I'll put that aside for later investigation, because the Berries are on hold for the moment while I work on the Australian side of the tree, where I've got information coming in thick and fast. Can't wait to hear what you find out about William.

Wait a minute, though. The William North who got married in 1824 signed his name, and the one who got married in 1829 signed with an X. Two different Williams? If the same William married them both, the first Elizabeth should have died between 1824 and 1829, but I can't see a death for an Elizabeth North in the IGI. Anything on your discs, Mike?

Greeting's Again Mary..... Yes that was my 1st. thoughts on the two Williams... But just because he didn't sign his name doesn't mean he couldn't write. He may have had an accident to his hand ? No luck with the Burial Disk a few Elizabeth's but the wrong years late 1800's & aged over 50 ~ 70. Plus I'm having server troubles ( NTL ) to check out Ancestry site. I'll try and have a look at the Burial registers as well as the births at Wigston then. But I just got the feeling that some of the Parish returns were missing it seemed to jump from spring to Autumn when I was checking out the Births .... Glad the Berries info could be of use I thought I had jumped the gun and you might think I was showing off...... MIKE.

Thanks a lot Mike. I have sent you a PM. The Upton burial in 1811 looks like it is my 6x great grandfather, John Upton, who was born about 1720-1730 in Desford. Regards Paul Edit: He must have been born about 1710.

Greeting's Paul... Scan winging it's way to you now .... MIKE. Glad it landed OK ....

Hi I have McJannets from Narborough Leics. Any pre 1837 info would be welcome. Karen

Greeting’s & Welcome Karen….. The closest I can get to come up this the following From my Burial Disk. Village. / Names. / Dates. / Ages. / Notes. :- NARBOROUGH MACJENNET ANN 15 APR 1814 11 DAU OF JOHN & MARY Due to the early dates posted …… The only way to get any information is to trawl the Parish Registers. Held at the Records Office Wigston. But you really need to know Christian names and approx dates of birth…. Then…. you’ll have the headache of putting these into Family Groups. MIKE.

It would seem that this is the correct couple. I have a John McJannett married to a Mary Hutchins. Among their children they have a daughter Ann c1802. There are many variations on the spelling of Mcjannett which does cause a bit of a headache!! I would love to find out about the above Johns parents. Regards Karen

*** F.A.O. Paul *** Just had a trawl through my Phillimore Early Parish Marriages Seeing it stated that Daniel was from the Ratby Parish on his Marriage certificate :- Although the pre 1773 Parish Registers were lost due to a Fire. Some early Registers did survived…… RATBY. ( St. Philip & James.) Josiah Grudgings. ~ Elizabeth ARNALD. 17th. Sept. 1765. By Banns. Thomas Cuffin. ~ Dorothy UPTON. 27th. June. 1766. By LICENCE. Josiah Grudgings. ~ Ann JORDEN. 30th. March. 1778. By Banns. George UPTON. ~ Elizabeth REYNOLDS. 28th. November. 1797. By Banns. Edward UPTON. ~ Ann EASOM. 26th. October. 1798. By Banns. John GRUDGINGS. ~ Sarah Jorden. 11th. October. 1899. By Banns. Sorry but DESFORD Parish did not appear on the Disk. MIKE.

Greeting's Again Karen..... Going on your last details posted I think this is the Marriage of John & Mary. :- John McJannet. ~ Mary Hutchings. All Saints Parish Church. Narborough. 1801. By Banns. Also Thomas McJannett. ~ Jane Botteril. All Saints. Narborough. 1826. By Banns. Which could tie in with this Census return 1841. HO 107/ 602. / Book 12. / Folder.19./ Page. 4. ( Key word Jannett ) Narborough. Alburn Place. Thomas Jannet. 50. Ag. Woolen Hosiery Maker. Joseph. Son. 7. Jemima. Dau. 13. All above Born within the County. I can have a look at that Marriage Register for you at the Records Office if you wish. ? MIKE.

Nudging........ For our Overseas Branch......

Hi Mike, The Overseas branch is awake now. Thanks for those marriages. The Grudgings only came into my tree in 1828 with the marriage of Daniel Grudgings and Mary Upton. The Uptons however are a direct line. The earliest info i have so far is my 6x great grandfather, John Upton, whose burial, at age 102, you found earlier (at least I think it's him) Paul

Hi Mike, Many thanks for the info, they look like the children of my 2xGGF's eldest son John, who married a Mary Tunperley (Tenperley) around 1836. Janes disappearance is really odd, on the 1851, Thomas states he is M, but I think on 1861 he is a Widower (enumerators mark goes through entry so difficult to read). Thomas was demobbed late 1817 from the army, a friend checked the GRO Indexes of Chaplains returns and found no Pym listed, I have checked his regiments movements during napoleonic wars, and after, he was stationed in Ireland before Malta, so Jane could be Irish and not British/Maltese, but I would have thought they would appear in the indexes. What do you think? Its driving me mad !! Regards, Ralph