Genealogy Chat

Thanks Tina, if only they got married a bit closer to census date! I've tried looking for the witnesses to their marriage but of course with being SMITH! not much chance Linda x

Hi Linda Although it is more usual that the lack of a father on the marriage certificate indicates illegitimacy, it is not a certainty. I have a marriage cert for my husband's g grandparents in 1865 where there is a line through the space for the name of the wife's father. But we know she was not illegitimate and that she was brought up by her parents. However, her parent's both died when she was 15, some 7 years before she married, and after that she lived with her maternal uncle. I suspect it depends on how the clergyman phrases the question. Clergyman: 'Now dear, I see you are being given away by your mother's brother. Do you not have a father?' Bride (somewhat overawed by the occasion): 'No' Et voila - no father named on marriage certificate. Tina

thanks all, Will just order the cert and hopefully mother will match one of the family Linda x

If you buy the cert and there is no father at least you will have the mother and a checking point in itself would be the absence of a father on the cert. Suzanne

Sorry Linda I got cut off and had to reboot. I think Suzanne has the right idea, perhaps Mary was illegitmate, mum married and Mary is on the census with stepfathers surname? I must go now but I'll check back tomorrow to see if you've made any progress. Good luck, Heather

Maybe Mary was baptised in the same church as the rest of the family? Perhaps you could find her parent(s) that way.

Same family in 1861: mistranscribed: Ellen Trantow abt 1849 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire View Record John Trantow abt 1842 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire View Record Mary Trantow abt 1812 Madeley, Shropshire, England Wife Madeley Shropshire View Record Thomas Trantow abt 1846 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire View Record William Trantow abt 1811 Madeley, Shropshire, England Head Madeley Shropshire View Record William Trantow abt 1851 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire

Civil Parish: Madeley Ecclesiastical parish: Coalbrookdale Town: Coalbrookdale County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Tagged in a bit late on this thread but Coalbrookdale is a parish in Madeley. Mary is probably either Helen's(ellen?) or Marys child... could try following them in the census?

There is this one on freebmd Births Mar 1868 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRANTER Mary Madeley 6a 610

thanks Heather, that fits with the parents names on 51 census, but how can I find Mary's parent/s?

There's a christening on the igi for Sarah Heather

can't find sarah in 71 think i have in 61 but shes a servant! think this is 51?? Benjamin Tranter abt 1837 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire Helen Tranter abt 1848 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire John Tranter abt 1842 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire Mary Tranter abt 1812 Lincoln, Shropshire, England Wife Madeley Shropshire Mary E Tranter abt 1844 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire >>>Sarah A Tranter abt 1840 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire Thomas Tranter abt 1845 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire William Tranter abt 1813 Madeley, Shropshire, England Head Madeley Shropshire William Tranter abt 1850 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire

Could this be Sarah Ann in 1851? Benjamin Tranter abt 1837 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire Helen Tranter abt 1848 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire John Tranter abt 1842 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire Mary Tranter abt 1812 Lincoln, Shropshire, England Wife Madeley Shropshire Mary E Tranter abt 1844 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire >>Sarah A Tranter abt 1840 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter Madeley Shropshire Thomas Tranter abt 1845 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire William Tranter abt 1813 Madeley, Shropshire, England Head Madeley Shropshire William Tranter abt 1850 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Madeley Shropshire

Great minds eh Gwyneth, lol. I've been looking for Sarah in 1871... Heather

oooooh Ladies you are stars!!!! so Mary must have been related to Sarah ann Tranter, forgive me for being thick but does that mean sarah and mary's mother were sisters? Linda

Not sure how this might help but I'll post it anyway, in relation to the 1881 cesus. From freebmd Marriages Dec 1876 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BENBOW Sarah Amelia Madeley 6a 1309 Hinsley Thomas Shaw Madeley 6a 1309 NOCKELS James Madeley 6a 1309 TRANTER Sarah Ann Madeley 6a 1309 Update... ooh!.. 30 seconds behind you Heather.

from Freebmd Thomas Hinsley married Sarah Ann Tranter in Madeley in 1876. Heather

hi all and thanks Gwyneth unfortunately the 2 witnesses were Smiths! so no relation. Heather thats the problem I am having I am assuming she was illegitamate or maybe as she was 20 when she got married had no consent so said she had no father? Georgina I have checked the 71 the Mary Ann 1868 is actually Margaret ann on the actual image :( Kath thanks for that, I have no idea how close the places are. they all seem to be Mary A where as birth ref and marriage cert both just say Mary am I being to picky? the 81 is the only one I think could be her, but still no parents to check oooooh I hate my rellies sometimes :)

This could be Mary on the 1881 census:- Sarah A. Hinsley abt 1840 Madeley, Shropshire, England Wife Madeley Shropshire Thomas Hinsley abt 1846 Madeley, Shropshire, England Head Madeley Shropshire >>>Mary A. Tranter abt 1868 Madeley, Shropshire, England Niece Madeley Shropshire Madely and Coalbrookdale are very close together. Kath. x

What about this family on the 1871 census? Geo Willm Tranter abt 1862 Madley, Shropshire, England Son Hanley Staffordshire Helen Jane Tranter abt 1870 Madley, Shropshire, England Daughter Hanley Staffordshire John Tranter abt 1842 Madley, Shropshire, England Head Hanley Staffordshire John Hent Tranter abt 1866 Madley, Shropshire, England Son Hanley Staffordshire Margaret A Tranter abt 1843 Madley, Shropshire, England Wife Hanley Staffordshire Mary Ann Tranter abt 1868 Madley, Shropshire, England Daughter Hanley Staffordshire Mary Jane Tranter abt 1864 Madley, Shropshire, England Daughter Hanley Staffordshire Georgina.