Genealogy Chat

Cheryl this lot has got me round the bend on john pattison birth certificate 31/1/1838 born all saints N/C his father was also john cabinet maker mother margaret anderson single women does this mean she wasn't married at the time as i have looked for marriage and can't find them. i have 1851 census and margaret pattison is a widow living with her mother anderson allsaints n/c Ann

Hi Cheryl - Many thanks for the 1841 - This is as good a bet as I will get because I have only the names of father and son and Timothy age is spot on. Could you take a punt on the 1851 etc for me. I know that by the 1881 Timothy had married an Elizabeth Richards, in 1878. I would suspect that he had been married before because he was 45 in 1881 - a bit late for a first marriage. Could I have an image of the 1841 is I message you my email address? Regards Rita PS - must do some shopping so will pop back later.

Thank you, Barbara

Hi Robert HIRST I've just gone through James Street there don't seem to be any houses listed between 35 to 59 for some reason sorry Cheryl

Hi Marlene Can you confirm that all Hartleys are one family? Cheryl

Hi Ann PATTISON 1841 Census: John Pattison abt 1812 Durham, England Bishop Wearmouth Durham John Pattison abt 1838 Durham, England Bishop Wearmouth Durham Margt Pattison abt 1840 Durham, England Bishop Wearmouth Durham Mary Pattison abt 1814 Durham, England Bishop Wearmouth Durham Source information: HO107/310/13 Registration district: Sunderland Sub-registration district: Bishop Wearmouth North ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 8 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Line number: 24 GSU Number: 241353 Could this be him? Father listed as a Potter Cheryl

Hi Rita 1841 Census: John Collins abt 1840 Middlesex, England St George Middlesex Middlesex Mary Collins abt 1815 Ireland St George Middlesex Middlesex Mary Collins abt 1837 Middlesex, England St George Middlesex Middlesex Patrick Collins abt 1806 Ireland St George Middlesex Middlesex Timothy Collins abt 1833 Middlesex, England St George Middlesex Middlesex Source information: HO107/696/2 Registration district: St George in the East Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 18 Page: 29 (click to see others on page) Line number: 22 GSU Number: 438811 Tell me what you think then I will look in the other years Cheryl

Hi Cheryl, I would love some help if you still feel like it, I'm a bit stuck at the moment, I also can't access ancestry because of a problem with my payment details - very frustrating! Anyway: Looking for Frederick Barnes and family on the 1881 or Frederick on his own 1871. I'm not sure when Fred and Eliz married either yet, but I guess about 1877 before Mary Jane. Frederick Barnes : c1860, West Derby, Lancs Elizabeth Barnes: c1858, West Derby, Lancs Children on 1891 census: Mary Jane (c1878, West Derby, Lancs) Martha (c1882, West Derby, Lancs) Robert (c1887, West Derby, Lancs) Frederick (c1889 , West Derby, Lancs) The ref for 1891 is: Frederick Barnes Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: West Derby, Lancashire, England Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist County/Island: Lancashire Country: England RG12/2999 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: West Derby (Rural) ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Folio: 111 Page: 43 GSU Number: 6098109 Would be raelly pleased if you can find anything, Thanks :)

Hi Cheryl ..........'THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH WORK' Dont know what to think now. Proberly discount the 1891 one because Frederick's not there, and he would only be about 10yrs old. Unless he was playing out with his mates. I'm quite interested in the 1901 where you cant read the fathers occup.. Wonder where the wife was then.? I see two sibs have almost same names ...Frances.+ .Francis....maybe the daughter died and so they named the son after her ! I have taken note of all you have given me. Thank you so much.

hi cheryl i've done a bit of detective work and now need your help again(i'm out of credits) please see RG12/389 Agnes Tremble she married Henry Hirst you will notice she lived on James Street.is it then possible for you to scrool through the rest of the street looking for Thomas , emma , henry hirst etc ( hirst probably miss transcribed). the let me know what they are transcribed as. thankyou robert

Hi Cheryl, William Ketley's birth 31st Oct 1852. That's it recorded at Chelmsford. He came to Australia in 1874 and never returned. He paid his fare 20 pounds. A large fare for the son of Ag Lab.I would think. I found that death and that's what got me thinking. It seems strange that the rest of the family is always together at census. Can't find him in hospital. Have tried local houses in case he had a 'sleep over' and they counted him under that surname. He could have left home by 1871 but I can't find him. He is my great grandfather. Wondering if he was someone else and needed a nmae to get out in a hurry. He was a bit like that in Australia at times. Shifty begger.Thanks.

Hi Cheryl Please can you find Thomas Hartley abt 1799 Ruth Hartley abt 1833 Mary Hartley abt 1830 On the 1841 census Colne Lancs Thankyou very much Marlene

Hi Cheryl Me again Ann If possible and your not fed up, could you Please do another look up for me 1841 census Name John Pattison b 1838 Newcastle upon-tyne parents name John Pattison and Margaret i think they were living all saints area newcastle? Ann

Hi Cheryl Thank you so much for the info that's fantastic much appreciated. Ann

Hi - Could you look for the following please on the 1841 - 1851 - 1861. Timothy Collins -( Father Patrick Collins on marriage certificate ) Born 1833 - 1881 census born - Shadwell Middx - 1881 census Possibly St George in the East. THanks Rita

Hi Cheryl Thats great i didn't know about the other three so that means i can probably reunite a few names now i know a few more potential fathers. As for the marriage details of John C and Amelia thats fantastic if i send for that now i should know for certain about the middle of June the way GRO are at the moment. It would seem they moved around a lot and didn't bother with registration or census,i bet he was a seaman. Thank you very much Bren

Hi Ann KENNEDY 1891 Census: sorry but I can't read the address properly Eliza Kennedy abt 1855 Gateshead, Durham, England Wife Gateshead Durham Eliza Kennedy abt 1886 Gateshead, Durham, England Daughter Gateshead Durham Hugh Kennedy abt 1879 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Gateshead Durham James Kennedy abt 1880 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Gateshead Durham John Kennedy abt 1877 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Gateshead Durham Richard Kennedy abt 1889 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Gateshead Durham Sarah Kennedy abt 1891 Gateshead, Durham, England Daughter Gateshead Durham Thomas Kennedy abt 1888 Gateshead, Durham, England Son Gateshead Durham Source information: RG12/4182 Registration district: Gateshead Sub registration district: Gateshead ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Folio: 129 Page: 62 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6099292 James listed as a General Labourer Regards Cheryl

Hi Jean I have found another Frderick Jones in Liverpool in 1901 with a father of William but I can't read Williams proffession Eleanor Jones abt 1886 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Frances E Jones abt 1891 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Francis Jones abt 1893 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire Frederick Jones abt 1881 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire John Jones abt 1883 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire William Jones abt 1852 Wolverhampton, Cumberland, England Head Liverpool Lancashire William Jones abt 1889 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire What do you think? How sure are you that Fredericks Dad was born in Wales? Cheryl

Hi Jean in Oz JONES 1901 Census: Address 36 Fair View RoadToxteth Arthur J Jones abt 1880 Tuebrook, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire Edith Jones abt 1874 Traumers, Cheshire, England Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire Maria Jones abt 1842 Gwernaffield, Flintshire, Wales Wife Toxteth Park Lancashire Mary E Jones abt 1870 Gwernaffield, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire Norman P Jones abt 1882 Everton, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire Selina M Jones abt 1885 Knowsley, Lancashire, England Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire Walter Jones abt 1872 Gwernaffield, Flintshire, Wales Son Toxteth Park Lancashire William Jones abt 1845 Cilcain, Flintshire, Wales Head Toxteth Park Lancashire Source information: RG13/3436 Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 74 Folio: 85 Page: 19 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 103 1891 Census Same address as 1901 , Alfred W Jones abt 1879 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire Arthur J Jones abt 1880 West Derby, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire Edith Jones abt 1874 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire Maria Jones abt 1842 Gwernafield, Flintshire, Wales Wife Toxteth Park Lancashire Mary E Jones abt 1870 Gwernafield, Flintshire, Wales Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire Norman P Jones abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Toxteth Park Lancashire Selina M Jones abt 1885 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Toxteth Park Lancashire Walter Jones abt 1872 Gwernafield, Flintshire, Wales Son Toxteth Park Lancashire Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Image William Jones abt 1845 Chlcaine, Flintshire, Wales Head Toxteth Park Lancash Source information: RG12/2934 Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 56 Folio: 109 Page: 38 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098044 Just going to check your message again as Frederick doesn't appear to be with them Regards Cheryl

Hi Bren On the 1891 Census details you sent me there are 3 other children in the house that you didn't list They are Joseph Goulden 17 born Devon Brickport? Frederick Goulden 14 born Aston Warwickshire Walter Goulden 11 born Aston Warwickshire So I have gone through the 1881 Census till its nearly driven me stupid I was thinking that in 1881 they should have been in Warwickshire which ties in with the Birthdate of Walter etc. But no luck. Really sorry Cheryl