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many thanks paul xxx

Hi Angie Check out this link - remember to remove the brackets. Cheers...Paul http://awt.ancestry(.)co.uk/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gough-f&id=I343&ti=5538

HI Angie My theory is that Elizabeth was born Elizabeth Guest, she then married Daniel Timmis in Dudley 1838 > Elizabeth Guest 1838 Apr-May-Jun Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire > Daniel Timmis 1838 Apr-May-Jun Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire Daniel dies 1844 again Dudley > Daniel Timmis 1844 Oct-Nov-Dec Dudley Staffordshire. Elizabeth (now Timmis) marries Edward Gough in 1850 > Edward Gough 1850 Jul-Aug-Sep Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire > Elizabeth Timmins 1850 Jul-Aug-Sep Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire HTH ... Paul

can you see elizabeth born or married as a timmis any were angie xx

Yup, I have seen this in my tree, where someone remarries and on one census are recorded with their step fathers name, but then revert for later census entries. Not sure why Elizabeth and Edward were living apart though ? Cheers...Paul

so john timmis in 1871 is the same person but with the name gough how interesting angie xx

wow its going to take me hours to get through all this,thanks ever so much paul,if you dont see me for a while you know im deep in research angie xx

No wonder I couldnt see them on 1851 they are down as Yougle! but image is clearly Gough. Daniel Timmiss abt 1845 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Stepson Sedgley Staffordshire Johnie Timmiss abt 1843 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Stepson Sedgley Staffordshire Abraham Yougle abt 1839 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire David Yougle abt 1845 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Edwd Yougle abt 1807 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Head Sedgley Staffordshire Edwd Yougle abt 1830 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Elizabeth Yougle abt 1817 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Sedgley Staffordshire Martha Yougle abt 1837 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire Peter Yougle abt 1827 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Theophilus Yougle abt 1843 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Looks like Edward brought some Children to this marriage also - This is from 1841 Census Abram Gough abt 1839 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Edwd Gough abt 1806 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Edwd Gough abt 1831 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Elizabeth Gough abt 1811 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Emma Gough abt 1833 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Martha Gough abt 1837 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Peter Gough abt 1828 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Wille Gough abt 1841 Staffordshire, England Sedgley Staffordshire Cheers...Paul

Hi Angie Dont know if this is a red herring or even if it answers your question. But there is this Gough family on the 1861 Census >> Edward Gough abt 1804 Wellington, Shropshire, England Head Sedgley Staffordshire >> Elizabeth Gough abt 1813 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Sedgley Staffordshire >> David Gough abt 1859 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Daniel Gough abt 1845 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Elijah Gough abt 1859 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Herbert Gough abt 1860 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire >> John Gough abt 1843 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Mary J Gough abt 1855 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire Theophile Gough abt 1843 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Sarah Path abt 1847 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Servant Sedgley Staffordshire Note that Edward's Occupation is down as an Engineer, and son John's is Pattern Maker. In 1871 there is an Edward Gough lodging in Bilston >> Edward Gough abt 1803 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Lodger Bilston Staffordshire Stephen Harrison abt 1792 Briningham, Warwickshire, England Lodger Bilston Staffordshire He is down as an Engineer, and married but with no wife living with him. This would explain why Elizabeth is down as married in 1871 (with no husband present). In 1881 Edward is now living with son David, and is recorded as a Widow. >> Edward Gough abt 1803 Wellington, Shropshire, England Lodger Bilston Staffordshire >> David Gough abt 1859 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Lodger Bilston Staffordshire Sarah Dean abt 1809 Birmingham, Staffordshire, England Head Bilston Staffordshire Note there is this possible death record for Elizabeth in 1874. Elizabeth Gough b.abt 1817 d. 1874 Jul QTR, Dudley Staffordshire Back to 1871 and your John Timmis - well his occupation is recorded as Pattern Maker, and the Place and Date of birth match that of John Gough from 1861. There is a marriage record for a Edward Gough marrying an Elizabeth Timmins in 1850 in Dudley Edward Gough 1850 Jul-Aug-Sep Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire Elizabeth Timmins 1850 Jul-Aug-Sep Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire I havnt come accross them on the 1851 yet - but I am sure this is them, and that your Elizabeth was married to a Timmis before she was a Gough. I hope this makes some sense ... Paul

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1871 census on this thread can any one tell me who elizabeth gough is mother 2 it shows david as step brother so know thats probly her son,but do you think she is mother of john timmis or mary brisco timmins maiden name was hampton also found these goughs on familysearch in 1881 joseph gough 1847 david gough 1859 elizabeth gough 1817 mother is a widow also found davids goughs christning and father is joseph gough many thanks angie x

thats great thank you all so much and the marriage is correct aswell they were my great grandparents amazin angie x

1871... Record Thomas Groucntt abt 1861 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Grandson Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Ann Hampton abt 1854 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Elizabeth Hampton abt 1817 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Fredk Hampton abt 1862 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Grandson Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Thomas Hampton abt 1818 C Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Head Sedgley Staffordshire View Record William Hampton abt 1849 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley

Mary after Marriage?? Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Martha Greaves 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire >>>Mary B Hampton 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire >>>John Timmis 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar Dudley Staffordshire, Worcestershire Richard Wade 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar Dudley 1871 England Census David Gough abt 1859 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Stepbrother Sedgley Staffordshire Elizabeth Gough abt 1817 Rounds Hill, Staffordshire, England Mother Sedgley Staffordshire John Timmis abt 1842 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Head Sedgley Staffordshire John Thomas Timmis abt 1867 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire Mary Ann Elizabeth Timmis abt 1869 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire Mary Brisco Timmis abt 1847 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Sedgley

1881 Thomas and elizabeth. Record Thomas Growcutt abt 1861 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Grandson Bilston Staffordshire View Record Elizabeth Hampton abt 1818 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Bilston Staffordshire View Record Frederick Hampton abt 1864 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Grandson Bilston Staffordshire View Record Thomas Hampton abt 1818 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Head Bilston Staffordshire View Record Elizabeth Hoskiss abt 1873 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter Bilston Staffordshire View Record Annie Roberts abt 1857 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Niece Bilston Staffordshire

1861 theres a thomas 'head' and a mary daughter? Parliamentary Borough of Wolverhampton. Thomas is a bricklayer. Anne Hampton abt 1856 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Elizh Hampton abt 1817 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Wife Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Hannah Hampton abt 1845 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Mary Hampton abt 1846 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Simeon W Hampton abt 1839 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Thomas Hampton abt 1818 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Head Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Wm Hampton abt 1849 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Son Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Eliza Taylor abt 1831 Shropshire, England Servant Sedgley Staffordshire View Record Mary Ann Wyld abt 1849 Sedgley, Staffordshire, England Visitor Sedgley Staffordshire

have mary brisco hampton born 1846 in wolverhampton father was thomas hampton not sure when or were father born sorry bacardi x