Genealogy Chat

Thanks thats deffinatly food for thought. Have spoken to hubby and he has said it will have to be a trip to the record office at some point...nice for me means a weekend away....heheh Jayne

I had a similar problem when researching my ex-Father-in-Laws family. His father was Ernest Cooper b.1897. Hit a brick wall straight away - couldn't find him on 1901 census. It was some time later when I was looking for other family members that I came across a Jack Cooper who would be the right age etc. - after checking this out thoroughly I decided that this 'Jack' was actually Ernest (all b.m.d. certs have him as Ernest) and perhaps someone was 'having a laugh' or the Enumerator misunderstood - or both. When I presented my findings to my ex-Father-in-Law he said that he did remember (now I'd mentioned it) that his father was called Jack by other members of his family. Why?? - dunno!! - So, for what it's worth, my money's on Harold and Leonard being one and the same.

Thanks for all your help julie have spoken to other half and i think we are going to take a trip down to portsmouth at some point to look at the parish records just need to find out now where they are kept Jayne

Nope we have checked that he isn't with the FRY grandparents either...Just found a couple of possible births for Harold in Farnham and Medway. think the purchase of a couple of certs is in order Thank you all for all your help today its resolved a couple of points for me...lol and added lots of new ones. Ohhhh this really really trying....lmao Thanks again any further information would be gratefully received Jayne

hiya, we needed to see if leonard was with his grandparents, hillsdons, now we have established HE WASNT, one less dead end. could he be with the FRY grandparents?? Failing that it is like what has already been said, harold/leonard one and the same person, do you have a birth cert for harold??? Julie, gotta pick daughter up from school

ARGGGGGGGGGg Thank you thank you thank you....you have all been so helpful BUT still no sign of Leonard John FRY....that man is driving me nuts....lol Jayne

No Leonard is not with his grandparents in 1901. Think it highly likely that Harold and Leonard are one and the same. 1901. Frederick T Hilladon abt 1894 Forest Gate, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Jane A Hilladon abt 1851 Llanbrynmair, Montgomeryshire, Wales Wife West Ham Essex John P Hilladon abt 1848 Islington, London, England Head West Ham Essex William E Hilladon abt 1889 Forest Gate, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Source information: RG13/1587 Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Forest Gate ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 93 Page: 31

Having Martha's correct date of birth helped with finding the rest of the family in 1891. 1891 Amelia P Hilledon abt 1881 Hackney, London, England Daughter West Ham Essex Elizabeth W Hilledon abt 1874 London City Daughter West Ham Essex ........> Jane E Hilledon abt 1851 Llamyunser, Wales Wife West Ham Essex ......> John P Hilledon abt 1848 Islington, Middlesex, England Head West Ham Essex Martha Hilledon abt 1884 London City Daughter West Ham Essex William E Hilledon abt 1889 Forest Gate, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Source information: RG12/1335 Registration district: West Ham Sub registration district: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 81 Folio: 65 Page: 13

Looks like Martha may have lied a little about her age on the 1901 census. Birth Name: Martha Parsons Hillsdon Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 39

John is alive somewhere just doesn't want to be found. Name: John Parsons Hillsdon Birth Date: abt 1848 Year of Registration: 1906 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 58 District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 84

In 1891 Jane Hellsdon is with sister Margaret Fry, Edward and Richard and with Aunt and Uncle Thomas and Amelia Ellis, Maybe the family had to be split up as the parents died. Edward J Hillsdon abt 1879 London, England Nephew West Ham Essex Richard J Hillsdon abt 1877 London, England Nephew West Ham Essex Source information: RG12/1332 Registration district: West Ham Sub registration district: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 69 Folio: 102 Page: 8

1871 View Record Jane Anne Hillsden abt 1851 Wales Wife All Hallows On The Wall London View Record Jane Parsons Hillsden abt 1870 London, England Daughter All Hallows On The Wall London View Record John Parsons Hillsden abt 1848 Islington, Middlesex, England Head All Hallows On The Wall London >>> Margret A M Hillsden abt 1869 London, England Daughter All Hallows On The Wall London julie

Is this John and Jane in 1881 with daughters Jane and Margaret?? 1881 Amelia Hilsden London, London, Middlesex, England Daughter St John Hackney London Catherine Hilsden abt 1873 London, London, Middlesex, England Daughter St John Hackney London Edwd. Hilsden abt 1879 London, London, Middlesex, England Son St John Hackney London Elizabeth Hilsden abt 1874 London, London, Middlesex, England Daughter St John Hackney London .............................>Jane Hilsden abt 1851 Wales Wife St John Hackney London ..............>Jane Hilsden abt 1871 London, London, Middlesex, England Daughter St John Hackney London ........................> John Hilsden abt 1848 London, London, Middlesex, England Head St John Hackney London ...............> Margaret Hilsden abt 1869 London, London, Middlesex, England Daughter St John Hackney London Ritchard Hilsden abt 1877 London, London, Middlesex, England Son St John Hackney London

1891 census View Record Dorathy May Fry abt 1889 Battle, Sussex, England Daughter Cranbrook Kent View Record Margaret Ann Maria Fry abt 1869 London, England Wife Cranbrook Kent View Record Reginald Walter Fry abt 1890 Cranbrook, Kent, England Son Cranbrook Kent View Record Walter George Fry abt 1864 Salehurst, Sussex, England Head Cranbrook Kent Jane Parsons Hillsdon abt 1872 London, England Sister Cranbrook Kent julie

Could be them will have to check on the tree. Still not them in 1901. I really do think this family doesn't want to be found in 1901 perhaps they are hiding a secret...lolol

this could be john and his family 1861 View Record Amelia M Hillsdon abt 1854 London St, London, England Daughter All Hallows Staining Middlesex View Record Ann Hillsdon abt 1818 Brill, Buckinghamshire, England Wife All Hallows Staining Middlesex View Record John Hillsdon abt 1812 Weston, Oxfordshire, England Head All Hallows Staining Middlesex >>> John P Hillsdon abt 1848 Islington, Middlesex, England Son All Hallows Staining Middlesex julie

hiya do you know when john was born?? and his wife?? julie

Nope can't find them on the 1901 census her father was John Parsons Hillsdon and Jane Ann Davies married 11th May 1868 Christ church Islington Middlesex

hiya, have you found margarets parents on 1901?? is he living with them?? justa thought julie

I didn't think of that....bugger thats really wierd. Well looks like i will have to check out the parish records. Just a bit far from where i live any idea where the parish records would be kept for that area? Jayne