Genealogy Chat

nudge for mandy for search tip. Glen

Ann - I've never tried that way before - good tip. It would appear that Pickup was spelled 3 different ways. Looks like Christine was right earlier. I put in the parents' names like you said and got; John PICOP - christened 1803 Bacup. John Snr was from Lancs. and they moved to L/pool. It only had her first name. James 1804 L/pool Thomas 1806 L/pool Mark Peacop 1808 William Tomlinson 1810 All the last 4 had her maiden name. Now I'll have to look up Picop to see where John 1 was from. Thanks everyone. J

LOU - have pmd you, sorry. Thanks Kate. Julie I'm beginning to think you may have a point!!!!! And no sign on census either. Thank you all for trying. J

hiya, just been reading thread, it is possible tht the child James b.1804 could be John in fact, maybe got name wrong, or forgot name was James and called him John, or was simply James John (being middle name) just my thoughts Julie have you tracked any of them on 1841 cen or beyond?

The pre-1837 entries are baptisms, not birth registrations, and it could be that the one you are looking for has been missed off the IGI by mistake, or he could have been baptised at a different church, or his baptism entry was too difficult to read (faded or the page is damaged). As for the post-1837 rules, I was reading in a family history magazine the other day that before 1875 it was the registrar's duty to make sure that all births in his area were registered, and he might even travel around from village to village to register the births, but in 1875 it was changed so that the onus fell on the parents to go to the register office to make sure their children's births were registered. Hope that makes sense. Kate.

Purple, I clicked into one of the names you gave me, then if you look at the bottom it states a batch number, if you click on that it should tell you what years the batch run from/to, if you then click on it again it takes you back to the search page but only searches the records from that batch (church). So then I click to the p's to see if there was a differnt spelling. Louise

Just been on IGI again but no luck. I've seen that one too Christine - her name was definitely Tomlinson. Lou, is there a partucular part of the IGI you searched or did you just put in the name? So grateful to everyone who is trying to help. It's a real brick wall. J

I'm stuck can't find anything. If you have the 5th siblings name and a idea of the year you can always try posting it on to a BIVRI Thread on the records site, you never know they may come back with some possibles. Good Luck - Louise

Saint Peters records are transcribed from 1704-1815 on the IGI, so short of there being a spelling mistake there other child can't of been baptised there (I have taken a look). Unless there was a 5 year gap and the child was born after 1815?

This one - don't know if right area? JOHN PICOP Christening: 17 FEB 1803 Bacup, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: JOHN PICOP Mother: MARY Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Hhmm, bit far from Liverpool, which is where the others come from. Are you sure they are his siblings, if you haven't come across them before - are you certain the mother of 'your' James is Mary Tomlinson, or just Mary?

OK Lou will do. Parents Mary Tomlinson & John Pickup. Missing birth - John C1804. IGI shows following for those parents ; James 1804 Thomas 1806 Mark 1808 William Tomlinson `1810 (Christian name same as mother's father)

To be very picky,since 1 July 1837 it has been law that every birth,marriage and death in England and Wales had to be officially registered at the local Registrar's office. However the practice was not always followed until the regulations were tightened up in 1875. Prior to 1837 the Church had the responsibilty of recording the details in local parish registers,(and still do so). To search parish registers you need to either check if the records you require are on the internet (some counties are now online and try the LDS site) or contact/visit the local Records Office for the area you are researching. You can usually search the records in person or if the office is too far away you can pay for the staff to search for you.(alternatively ask very nicely on the boards and cross your fingers) Glen

Purple, Why don't you post the parents name and we can take a look at what is on the IGI, that way someone else may know if the official church register is available on line? Regards - Louise (who is at work at may disappear at anytime).

You could have hit on something there Lou. The 4 were all at St Peters Liverpool. The other could have been anywhere in Liverpool or the mother's home town perhaps. Re your second message - the dates are all different. They were all boys by the way Christine.

Another thing to do is check the dates of the other baptisms as sometime they did not bother baptising kids as they where born they could take 4 along at once and baptism them all at the same time and then go again 5 years later with another group of kids. Again you would have to find the original church register as that sometimes also gives a date of birth and baptism. Hope I'm not confusing you.

Were they his sisters I wonder - I have sometimes found that the IGI only has female christenings in a particular parish - I don't know why, but I'm sure someone else does and will no doubt tell us. That's what is so great about this site -lots of very helpful people.

Puzzled - the other 4 were all registered between 1806 and 1810.

IGI is sometimes transcribed in batch for certain churches so that is why you would have 4, so it may not cover the year of the extra child or the extra child may have been baptised at a different church which has not been transcribed on to the IGI. The only way to find out is to click on the the source of the data and see if it gives a church say from 1803-1810 would the extra child not fall into the years that where transcribed? The only reliable source at that 1800 point is to find a local church register. Hope this makes sense.

Registration of any event didn't happen until 1837 - this from Ancestry site: 'On 1 July 1837 a civil registration system for births, marriages and deaths was introduced in England and Wales. Registration was undertaken by civil registrars who reported to the Registrar General at the General Register Office (GRO) in London, now part of the Office for National Statistics (ONS).' I think what you have found on IGI are parish records of christenings.

Civil registration started in 1837 but only became law about 1875 Roy