Genealogy Chat

thanks again Merry I wonder if that John born 1843 is my John ???? I shall investigate further I do appreciate your help.

There was no legal adoption until 1927. I expect when Mary called herself Keen and everyone else called themselves Wallis there could have been a million and one reasons......maybe Mary saw the enumerator, maybe she didn't realise her sister had been a Keen too once, maybe she had had a row with Mr Wallis!! But I think it was quite common for people going by a step-parents surname to marry using their birth surname. Merry

Ive found a john keen'e' with an extra E on the end as below; KEENE, Frances Wife Married F 30 St Marylebone Middlesex KEENE, John Son M 11 Scholar St Pancras Middlesex KEENE, Frances Daughter F 7 Scholar St Pancras Middlesex KEENE, Arthur Son M 4 Surrey Blackfriers Rd Is it possible that with John not being MR Wallace's son he was sent to live with an Aunt or uncle? I've got one in the late 1800s where mum is living in shropshire, dad is living in Lancashire and their only son is staying with one of dads sisters in yorkshire and shows up as son even though he only suddenly appears aged 18 or so and disappears of mums census info? Dunno only a suggestion to confuse you even more - sorry

I am confused(quite usual). Surely different parents? JOHN THOMAS KEEN Birth: 21 FEB 1850 Christening: 17 MAR 1850 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: SAMUEL KEEN Family Mother: SARAH

Yes, I saw the 1843 John putting a spanner in the works! I thought you said you couldn't see a birth cert for John Thomas Keen????? (the Feb 1850 baby) Births Mar 1850 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keen John Thomas Bethnal Gn 2 70 Or is that the cert you said was the wrong one? Maybe because your John was born in 1843????? How old was he when he married and on later census returns? Merry

yes they did get legally adopted but as Merry points out and thanks for that bit of info as I didnt know that, but it was after the 1920's

maybe john thomas wasnt hers? maybe she was looking after him for his mother untill big bad step daddy came along?!?

sorry its nearly lunch time - id best go and get something to eat and some fresh air! R

According to the IGI the 1850 John Thomas Keen was the son of Samuel and Sarah Keen so not yours at all!!! Is that who was on the birth cert you bought? UPDATE Sorry, I see Jim already said that!! Merry

hi Jim yes I saw that too I did originally have him down as C 23/5/1852 which is on LDS and what a rellie told me . Merry I have that cert its the wrong one I cannot seem to get the right one

I have his marriage cert for 1869 which clearly says John Thomas Keen full age son of John Samuel Keen Machine Ruler which is what he was , the witnesses were Henry Alfred Sigston and a Rebcecca Keen

yes one of the certs is for a mother Sarah keen and father Samuel Keen 1850

So, unless he was lying you would expect him to have been born earlier than 1850...... What does he say in 1871 etc? Merry

dont worry Merry I dont want to hold you on here all day , I cannot find him on any census ever not before or after he married

thanks for that Rebecca have a nice lunch !!!!

Valerie Please remember you could be chasing a certificate which does not exist.

oh please dont say that I know thats a possiblity but would love to get this one I really would .My Family are a real nuisance .More so dead than alive.

This is yours, surely? JOHN THOMAS KEENE Event(s): Birth: 17 MAR 1843 Christening: 23 MAY 1852 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN SAMUEL KEENE Family Mother: ELIZABETH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. Merry

1843 Q2 Bethnal Green Vol 2 Page 3 Keene John Thomas Please check the numbers.... Can I have my lunch now?? Merry !!

I reckon he is her nephew by marriage, son of her dead husband's brother Samuel (who is sometimes called John Samuel) and you already have the right cert. Just cos he says he is of full age on his marriage cert doent mean he is telling the truth! Or have I lost the plot again? OC