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Hi I cant understand this but hope you can. On the 1871 census its says Emma Millership as Wife, then on 1881 census its Mary. I just spent a couple of hours looking for Emma's death and cant find it but was wondering could she have divorced her Husband Richard or left him? or was her name Emma but nicknamed Mary? Can anyone help please, Much appreciated. Regards Yvonne

Is this the 1871 Alice Millership abt 1864 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Staffordshire Emma Millership abt 1812 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Wife Oldbury Staffordshire Henry Millership abt 1862 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Jane Millership abt 1848 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Staffordshire John Millership abt 1846 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Joseph Millership abt 1858 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Richard Millership abt 1810 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Head Oldbury Staffordshire Sarah Millership abt 1837 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Staffordshire

and is this the 1881 Alice Millership abt 1864 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire Harry Millership abt 1861 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Worcestershire Jane Millership abt 1849 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire Joseph Millership abt 1855 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Worcestershire Mary Millership abt 1814 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Wife Oldbury Worcestershire Richard Millership abt 1810 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Head Oldbury Worcestershire Sarah Ann Millership abt 1873 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Worcestershire

HI Elaine Yes thats the one, I cant understand where Emma went, did they divorce in them days or could she have just walked out? Regards Yvonne

With the years of birth being so close I would be tempted to think that Emma and Mary were the same person. Have checked for a some marriage registrations but not coming up with anything positive at the moment.

Sarah´s birth certificate would give her mothers name - which might help Births Jun 1873 Millership Sarah Ann West Bromwich 6b 764 - might then help to find a marriage date.

Do you mean Emma and Mary their dates are similar, now I was thinking of that, perhaps she was called Mary as a nickname. Could be, youve got me thinking now. Thanks for looking for me its much appreciated. Regards Yvonne

Name: Emma Millership Birth Date: abt 1815 Year of Registration: 1895 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at death: 80 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 486 (click to see others on page) Name: Mary Ann Millership Birth Date: abt 1821 Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 60 District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 499 (click to see others on page) think you need to find a marriage or any more census Julie

This looks like the Sarah Ann birth on W Midlands BMD: West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1873 Surname Forename(s) ~Sub-District ~Registers At ~Reference MILLERSHIP Sarah A ~Oldbury ~Sandwell ~OLD/49/264 Christine

Hi Julie Many thanks for your information, Right I think Emma was nicknamed Mary perhaps as she got older. it is obvious that Emma lived to a ripe old age. To you and Elaine many thanks for your help its very kind of you. Ill send for some certificates I think. Problem nearly solved. Best Wishes Yvonne

Hi Christine Thats makes Emma/Mary 59 when she had Sarah Ann, I suppose it was possible then, cos it seems all my ancestors had hundereds of kids. Many thanks Best Wishes Yvonne

Here are some other likely(ish) birth registrations from ... Surname Forename(s) ~Sub-District ~Registers At ~Reference West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1861 MILLERSHIP Henry Oldbury Sandwell OLD/29/149 West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1864 MILLERSHIP Alice Oldbury Sandwell OLD/34/22 ?? West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1859 MILLERSHIP Joseph West Bromwich North East Sandwell WBNE/30/370 or ?? West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1854 MILLERSHIP Joseph C West Bromwich North East Sandwell WBNE/21/268 ?? West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1849 MILLERSHIP Jane West Bromwich South West Sandwell WBSW/15/186 Christine

Do you think that the youngest ones might actually be children of the daughter(s)?? Christine

The older Sarah disappears from the list between 1871-1881, as does John. Assuming they didn't didn't die (deaths are indexed so far on the site only until 1848, for Oldbury), here are some possible marriages: Surname Forename(s) ~Surname Forename(s) ~Church / Register Office ~Registers At ~Reference West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1874 MILLERSHIP Sarah ~GRICE James ~Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) ~Sandwell ~39/12/485 West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1880 MILLERSHIP John ~BENTLEY Charlotte ~Tipton, St Mark ~Sandwell ~38/3/228 Christine

Hi Christine This is getting really complicated and Im pretty good at finding things LOL Yes I suppose they could be. But Ive just been on the 1851 census and it says Richard Millership b1819 which is obviously my Richard married to Jane b1826! with one sone Richard b1850, now I know for sure that Richard b1850 wasnt born then he was born 1830 cos he is my Great great grandfather. I think he old Dickie b1819 was up to someting myself could he have been carrying on. mind boggles. Yvonne

I notice there are deaths in 1891q4 for Richard (77) and John Millership (50) - ages would be a bit approximate. Both W Brom - 6b 498 and 495, respectively. (Note that these are the printed indexes, not typed or handwritten. I think some of these pages are relatively modern transcriptions of older indexes.) Christine

Thanks Christine Ive wrote that information down and hopefully it should fit in with them, what I family! Im fed up with them now LOL, like my Harrisons another big big headache, dread doing them LOL. Many thanks for all your information, much appreciated. Best wishes Yvonne

In the 1881 Census the enumerator probably simply made a mistake with the name when he was transfering the information from the schedule to the book. (I have a similar instance) It has Richard and Emma again in 1891. Jennifer

Maybe your Richard had already left home by 1851? If Richd snr had married again, He'd have no qualms about naming a new son after himself, I bet! there's this death record: Name: Agnes Jane Millership Year of Registration: 1858 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 431 Could be 1851's Jane? (Can't tell without an age) Christine

If Richard-1830 is your g-g-father, whom did he marry? There's this couple + son in 1851: HO107/2024 Fo 476, p 39 Richard Milershp abt 1827 Oldby, Worcestershire, England Head Oldbury Eliza Millershp abt 1829 Hordy Heath, Staffordshire, England Wife Oldbury Samuel Millershp abt 1848 Oldby, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Christine (I'll put in a mistranscription report for Richard)