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I have a bit of a mystery, and I wonder if anyone has any ideas. I've never been able to find my great-grandfather William Pool and his family on the 1861 census, either on Ancestry or 1837online. They were living in Burgess Street, Leicester (no number given) in 1841 and 1851, and at 42 Burgess Street in 1871, so it seems like a fair bet that they were at 42 Burgess Street in 1861. The members of the household in 1861 should have been Joseph Pool (1804), head, his wife Hannah (1803), and sons William (1841) and James (1843) (they had two daughters, but they were married and living elsewhere). When I did an address search on 1837online, I found that 42 Burgess Street and a lot of other numbers are missing. An address search in 1861 only brings up 24 hits (mostly odd numbers, up to no. 43). An address search in 1891 brings up 58 hits (nos. 1-89). I checked Ancestry, and the pages for those numbers in Burgess Street are missing. Any idea if the missing numbers could have been listed under another street name, or if not, whether the missing pages of the census are available anywhere?

*** F.A.O.*** …… Wendy Pusey Confirmation of Marriages & Details for Joseph Jacques. St. Nicolas Parish Church Leicester. Page .No.17. Entry No. 74. Joseph Jacques. Of this Parish. Jane Loveday. Of this Parish. Were Married in this Church following Banns. By Me :- John Anderson. Vicar. This Twenty first day of September In the year of our Lord. One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety-six. Joseph signed by his own signature Jane by her own Mark = + Wit’s :- John Christopher P ? gale Sarah Loveday. = ( Mother or Sister ? ….Ummm ) Second Marriage St. Nicolas Parish Church Leicester. Page No. 117. Entry No. 349. Joseph Jacques. Of this Parish. Jane Walker.. Of this Parish. Were Married in this Church following Banns. By Me :- Richard Davis. . Vicar. This Fourteenth day of September In the year of our Lord. One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty five Joseph signed by own signature Jane by her Mark = + Witt’s :- William Mason. Samuel Langton. Both the above wit’s seem to have signed several entries So could be Church employees ?..... Sorry no ages given ….We can’t win all of them ….:0(((( MIKE.

*** F.A.O.***…….. Allie …… Confirmation of Baptisms All Saints Parish Church. Seagrave. Page. 18. Entry. No. 137 15th. May. 1825. MARY ANN. Dau of Jonathan & Mary Dakin. Seagrave. Carpenter. Robert Gutch …Rector. Entry 138.15th. May. 1825. WILLIAM Son of Jonathan & Mary Dakin. Seagrave. Carpenter. Robert Gutch ….Rector.. Not too sure if they were TWINS or just Baptized on the same day Along with two other Children on the same day TWINS can be on the same entry or separate as above ….. Did not find Williams 1st. Marriage...... Yet But found second Marriage to Fanny Bell. Reads as Thus:- In the Chapel of Mary Magdalene Knighton Leicester. Page. 65. Entry No. 74. 30th.June. 1874. William Dakin 47. Widower. Builder. Cossington. Father Jonathan Dakin. Builder. Fanny Bell. 34. Spinster. Knighton. Father Daniel Bell. Hosier. Married by LICENCE. By me :- T. James. Vicar. Both signed by their own signature. Wit’s :- John Harris Wadd. & Thomas Harris Wadd. Hope this helps … MIKE.

*** F.A.O. ***…… Jo Jo….. Parish Register for St.Peter and St.Paul Exton Rutland Reads as thus :- Page. 100. Entry No. 798. 17th. November. 1839. MARTHA. Dau of Thomas & Frances Law. Exton. Lab…… Henry Windson. …Curate. . MARRIAGE…. NO he did not get married in All Saints Parish Church Leicester 16th. March 1862…..tut tut…..:0)))) Not sure were you got that from but smacked wrist who ever it was…… But were married in St. Nicholas Parish Church.Leicester….. Register reads thus :- Page. 12. Entry No. 24. St. Nicholas Parish Church.Leicester. 16th.March. 1862. John Jarvis Full Age. Bachelor. Elastic Web Weaver.Talbot Lane. Father:- William Jarvis Frame Work Knitter. Martha Law. Full Age. Spinster. Talbot Lane. Father Thomas Law.Lab. Married in this Church following Banns. By me :- Jemison Davison. Vicar. Both signed by their own Signatures Witnesses :- Gemia Gibson. By their Mark = X Mary Ann Gibson. By her mark = X So…….. Yes it was has I thought miss transcribed Th as J It’s clear as Thomas Law Lab. I have taken a Photo copy of this entry So if you want to view it for yourself Then click on my name and send me a Private message including your e-mail address And I will send you a scan of Photo copy via your e-mail as an attachment. MIKE. xx

Good morning one and all I am looking for any info re: the Whelband family, mine are in Nottingham, but there are some in Loughborough, Leicester and Stamford. The name has changed slightly and can be Welband, Wellband and Wheelband. I am trying to find the link between the Nottingham Whelbands and the 'others', Any info would be appreciated. Thanks Judith x

Many thanks for the information Mike. I'm sorry I didn't come back to you earlier. I have a relative William Dixon, who married in Woolsthorpe in 1817, and this states (depending on where you look) that he was from 'the liberty of Belvoir' or Belvoir. He was 62 when he died in March 1841 (very unhelpful), giving a birth date of abt 1779 - but I can't find a birth record. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Barbara

Greeting’s & Welcome Barbra…. Basically the term “ Liberty of Belvoir “ Relates to just the Estates & Grounds of the castle held in the name of The owner of Belvoir Castle. This area was the sole responsibility of the owner of the said Estate and grounds and was not answerable to the Government of the time. Although the owner usually was on the Kings side. It also gave the right of the said owner to bear arms against who ever he wanted to. If you type “ Liberty of Belvoir “ into your search engine. You’ll find loads of information in this subject and may explain It better than I can on here. If your relatives were in this area or Leicestershire then I’ll help you. MIKE.

Hey Mike - were you at camp? Didn't see you there.....

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but - have you heard of the 'liberty of belvoir'. (late 1700's, early 1800's). Can you tell me what villages it covered? I'm guessing its a similar area to the Vale of Belvoir. Thanks for you help Barbara

Hi Carol I live in a village not far from Bunny and they are in the Rushcliffe area of Nottingham. East Leake is just a little further on, have a look here on the Rushcliffe site and you will see the villages you mentioned on the right hand side of the page http://www.rushcliffe.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=9592 and Sutton Bonnington Notts/Leics border. East leake has a Leicester phone number but is stll Rushcliffe I think. Have look at this site http://homepage.ntlworld(.)com/roger.beswick/favorite.html for Sutton Bonnington, had a look for you this morning and found it Let me know if I can help (will be out for sometime today) Elaine

Thanks Mike, thought I may have gone very wrong somewhere. Had not thought about the names being similar, but now you have said I can see exactly what you mean. Wait to hear from you. Regards JoJo

Greeting’s Again …Jo Jo ….. I’ve tracked John Jarvis ( b 1837 ) With Parents William & Mary A. Frame Work Knitters back to 1841. Seems they didn't move away from Talbot Lane. Here they are in 1851. Census :- HO 107/ 2090. / 351./ 27. 166 Talbot Lane William Jarvis Head M 34 M F.W.K Lei Leicester Mary A. Jarvis Wife M 37 F Seamstress Lei Mkt.Harborough John Jarvis Son 14 M F.W.K Lei Leicester M.A. Jarvis Dau 8 F At Home Lei Leicester Eliza Jarvis Dau 2 F At Home Lei Leicester I see Martha Law was just around the corner on the 1861.Census In St. Nicholas Square Working as a Servant In “ The Talbot Inn “ Yes I also found Martha in Exton Rutland both on the 1841. & 1851.Censuses. And has you stated gives parents Thomas & Frances. Over the page in 1841. There is another Martha Law but aged 13. With Mother Mary (55) But no Father within the Household. The only Burial of a James Law. In Exton was 16th.Oct 1840. But Aged 3. And again on the 1851.Census on the next page back from Thomas & Frances Martha is down as Sister in law and with a Daughter Emma aged 5. Living, Within the Household of a William & Elizabeth Dawson. I think I need to have a look at the Marriage Register of John & Martha in 1862. All Saints Church. At the Records Office If only to confirm the name given of Martha’s Father. It might just have been transcribed wrong from the register A “J” could look like a “Th” and it doesn't help names ending In “ mes” or “mas” both could look like James or Thomas So in the end you might not have done anything wrong…. “ Watch this space “……. Time to blow the candle out methinks …. MIKE.

Mike, I wonder if you could help me. I am looking at my Jarvis side of my family at the moment. John Jarvis married Martha Law 16 March 1862 All Saints Parish Church Leicester. The father of John is listed as William Jarvis Frame Work Knitter. The father of Martha is listed as James Law Labourer. On the census she is listed as coming from Exton in Rutland and born in 1839. I can only find a Thomas and Francis Law with a daughter called Martha living in Exton. Where am I going wrong, and ideas. Thanks JoJo

Thanks again Mike! Allie

Greeting's & Welcome Carrol...... As you can see below.... ALL your Villages come under Nottinghamshire Parishes in Nottinghamshire (1837-1930): Costock, * East Leake,* Normanton on Soar, Rempstone, Stanford on Soar, * Sutton Bonington,* Thorpe in the Glebe, West Leake, Willoughby, Wysall. all above now ( Present day) come under Nottinghamshire & Rushcliffe Districts Also Bunny is within the County of Nottinghamshire. So I don't have a working knowledge of the Villages although I've been to them.... But..... Having said that I do have a very good colleague on another site who does have a working knowledge of Nottinghamshire...... Or ' Eliane ' on this thread might be able to help ? You need to gather info 1901 up to present date from living relatives if possible..... You need to start from an known fact and work back wards. MIKE. xx UPDATED :- I've just been on the I.G.I. site and there's plenty Savage Christening / Marriage Details for all your Villages within Nottinghamshire District .

Looking for family named Savage, Sutton Bonnington, East Leake, West Leake and Bunny. I have been sent two family Trees listing hundreds of names but different dates of birth and don't know where to begin, anyone who can give me any help or advice! Thanks Carol

Greeting's Again Allie Glad we got there in the end then ....:0))))) I'll have a look at Parish Registers for Seagrave this week at the Records Office to see if I can find William's Christening details for you If I can help you any further then you'll know where to come..... MIKE. xx UPDATED 15.08.06....... 01.24.hrs. BINGO !!!! Early Christening's found for Dakins All Saints Parish Church SEAGRAVE. Thomas Dakin. 5th. July. 1821. Mary Ann Dakin. 15th. May. 1825. WILLIAM DAKIN. 15th. May 1825. ( Double Christening with Mary Ann. ) All above Father :- Jonathan Dakin. Carpenter. Mother :- Mary. Robert Gutch. .... Rector. MIKE.xx

Thanks Mike! (re Dakins) These are indeed the people....... Shall be able to get going again with them now! Allie x

*** F.A.O. Allie…… I think we might be getting somewhere now...... Going on the information gained from the 1851. Census. For William & Mary Dakin in Sileby. With your known Relative Edwin aged 1 Month Old. You will see that William was born in Seagrave. And had the Occupation of a Carpenter. So I went to the 1841. Census This directed me to the village of Cossington. And where I found a William Dakin ( b 1825.) Carpenter’s Apprentice. Born within the County of Leicestershire . Living with his Family.:- Jonathan Dakin. 44. Carpenter. Mary. Dakin. 50. Mary Ditto. 18. WILLIAM Ditto. 16. Carpenter App. Edward Ditto. 12. Ditto. Elizabeth. Ditto. ALL above Born within the County. From the I.G.I Batch Numbers site. Found Christening Details :- Edmund Dakin.26th. April. 1829. Elizabeth. 4th, Sept. 1831. Also a Jonathan Dakin. 2nd. June. 1827. ALL Christened in Cossington All Saints Parish Church. And with the Parents Jonathan & Mary… But no ref to William found. Then using my Disk of Early Marriages within Leicestershire Found the following Marriage :- Jonathan Dakin. Bachelor of the Parish of Sileby. Mary SMITH. Spinster of the Parish of Seagrave. Married. at All Saints Parish Church. Seagrave. 19th.December. 1820. Following Banns. So……. I see from the 1861. Census return for William & Mary They are carrying on using known Family Christian Names :- Jonathan, Edwin, William. Which are good points that we may well be on the right lines for these earlier finds above ? MIKE. xx .......... Time to blow out the candle me thinks.....

I recently ordered the Husbands Bosworth parish registers from my local LDS centre, only to find that the whole lot has been transcribed and is available on Rootsweb. My interests are Bale, Berry and Steans if anyone else is researching that area and wants to exchange information.