Genealogy Chat

This has been to interesting to leave. I looked for the sons who did not emigrate. 1901 Charles Strange Elizabeth abt 1842 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Head Meesden Hertfordshire William Strange Mary abt 1832 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Head Nuthampstead Hertfordshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1891 Charles Strange Elizabeth abt 1833 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Head Meesden Hertfordshire William Strange Mary abt 1831 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Head Barkway Hertfordshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz others in 1841 George Strange abt 1776 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire Mary Strange abt 1781 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Ann Strange abt 1806 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire William Strange abt 1829 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire

Hi Lyla I've now had time to look at that web site you put me on to in more detail and found the post about the Essex and Hertfordshire 'Strange' family. A great bit of detective work on your part!! I've passed it over to my Australian rellie and we shall see what she makes of it all! Many thanks once again Lyndsey

Hmmmm.... If Lydia Pigg married Henry Strange there are a couple of scenarios. 1. In 1841 Henry Strange was still alive and for some reason the enumerator copied down Chaple (there was a Chaple family further up the page). But I dont think this is right because there is no sign of the 'real' Henry Chapel who we know to have been born in 1806. 2. More likely, Henry Strange died and Lydia hooked up with Henry Chaple for a little while. Perhaps they never married and so when he died in (1844?) she and her children reverted back to Strange as that was still her real name. I looked on FreeBMD but there are no births for the children under Strange but some possibles the right age under Chapple - no names just says 'male child' - so not very helpful. Perhaps someone with the NBI could see if there is a Henry Strange burial in Meesden sometime between 1825 and 1851? Possibly he died between 1825 and 1831 as it seems odd that she had no children in that time. Anyway, have a good evening. Maybe someone will have solved the puzzle by the time you get home!

Well Lyla, I've had a look, not as detailed as I would have liked but I have to go out at 7.15 and I daren't be late! I'll have another look tomorrow. Got abit side tracked by the entry under Lydia's as I live in Cheshunt and used to live in Waltham Abbey!! How do we account for the Chaple family on the 1841 census records? - surely with all the same names in the same areas it has to be more than a co-incidence? Lyndsey

Lyla I was just going to say don't feel too bad - we don't know that your info was incorrect! I'm off now to look at the site you mentioned and will report back! Lyndsey

Oooh you must have a look at this website... http://www.yourtotalevent(.)com/people/idxpepl.htm I just copied a little bit to wet your appetite! 1 Henry STRANGE; Hertford, St John (at marriage) + Lydia PIGG 1825 31st Oct, Meesden Herts; bap 7 Apr 1805 Clavering ,Essex (parents Thomas & Sarah (nee BURGESS) (Ref Clavering PRs) Lydia was listed as a widow in the 1851 census for Meesden (See Hertfordshire page)

Hi Susan I'm showing myself up I'm afraid Susan - I once tried to use the IGI site, got absolutely nowhere with it and never went back again! I'm sure it's a very helpful tool and I will endevour to have another go. Meanwhile, is there any way we can find Sarah's birth in 1806 to find out for sure what her maiden name was? Lyndsey

Oh dear - look what I started! I think you will have to go back to the marriage certificate of James Collison and Lydia Strange. Maybe it will list all her former names as well. I can't find any trace of a likely James Collison at all.

Yes ... sorry, it's not as clear on here as it is on the FamilySearch site - it's free to look there, so you can go look yourself. I searched the IGI section for a Lydia married between 1820 and 1840 in both Essex and Hertfordshire to see if I could find a match for the possible Henry Chapel marriage ... but only came up with this one for a Lydia Pigg marrying a Henry Strange in the right area! Just adding another possible scenario .... may just be co-incidence! S:>

Hi Susan Sorry - I'm having a bit of a senior moment here.... Are you saying that Lydia's maiden name was Pigg and she was married to a Henry Strange in 1825? Lyndsey

... and another twist, possibly! From the IGI search on the FamilySearch website: LYDIA PIGG Female Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: HENRY STRANGE Family Marriage: 31 OCT 1825 Meesden, Hertford, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M072671

Thanks again I've certainly got lots to tell my Australian rellie!

this looks like one of Lydias' husbands and his siblings Chapple, British Isles Father: George , Mother: Mary Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: C072672 International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. HENERY CHAPEL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 13 JUL 1806 Meesden, Hertford, England 2. JOHN CHAPELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUN 1803 Meesden, Hertford, England 3. THOMAS CHAPELL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUN 1803 Meesden, Hertford, England 4. THOMAS CHAPEL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 27 MAY 1810 Meesden, Hertford, England 5. SARAH CHAPEL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 MAY 1808 Meesden, Hertford, England 6. ANN CHAPEL - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 14 OCT 1804 Meesden, Hertford, England

Thanks - brilliant discoveries by everybody! I had no idea what I was starting with my original post! God Bless you all! Lyndsey

You know what Lyla,i think you have made a brilliant discovery. 1841 Charles Chaple abt 1834 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire Henry Chaple abt 1811 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire James Chaple abt 1838 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire Joseph Chaple abt 1836 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire Lydia Chaple abt 1811 Meesden Hertfordshire William Chaple abt 1831 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 1851 Charles Strange abt 1834 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Meesden Hertfordshire Geroge Strange abt 1844 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Son Meesden Hertfordshire Henry Strange abt 1842 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Son Meesden Hertfordshire James Strange abt 1838 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Son Meesden Hertfordshire Joseph Strange abt 1836 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Son Meesden Hertfordshire Lydia Strange abt 1806 Clavering, Essex, England Head Meesden Hertfordshire William Strange abt 1841 Meesden, Hertfordshire, England Son Meesden Hertfordshire **i think he is 19 on image

If she was married a further time, this may be the death ref for Henry Chaple (Chapel/Chappel). Henry Chappel Year of Registration: 1844 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Royston County: Cambridgeshire, Essex, Hertfordshire Volume: 6 Page: 455 May be worth getting this to check his age against census record ... and it may be that Lydia is the person who registers the death! I have an example in my tree of a lady who married 3 times and each time her children took the new husband's surname .... a bit confusing!!! S:>

I don't know what to say Lyla. The name Chaple means nothing to me but it is very stange (no pun intended)! Can anyone more experienced than me help us help us out with this? Thanks Lyndsey

This may be totally unrelated but I was looking for Lydia in 1841 without success. However, I did find a family with all the same names and ages as the 1851 family that Jim found. Is it possible that she had already been married previously? I can't find this Chaple family in 1851. View Record Charles Chaple abt 1834 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire View Record Henry Chaple abt 1811 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire View Record James Chaple abt 1838 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire View Record Joseph Chaple abt 1836 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire View Record Lydia Chaple abt 1811 Meesden Hertfordshire View Record William Chaple abt 1831 Hertfordshire, England Meesden Hertfordshire

Hi Lyndsey I am used to delayed reactions ,they are much preferable to no reaction at all. Your ancestors are not as 'inbred' as you might suppose. 1851 Lydia Strange abt 1806 Clavering, Essex, England Head Meesden Hertfordshire regards Jim

Hi Jim Sorry about the delay in my reply, I'm not being rude and ignoring you! I just needed a bit of time to digest the information you've given me! I'm fairly new to to this and it takes me more time to digest and understand info given me than all you pro's! As I understand it now, John Collison was Lydia's 2nd husband? By the time they sailed in 1854 the children were using the Collison name. I certainly recognise the name 'Strange' from the Meesden census records. I shouldn't be suprised really, Meesden was/is a small hamlet and all the families married each other! There's several cases of neurological illnesses in my (extended) family and I'm beginning to suspect they may have come about through interbreeding! Thanks again Lyndsey