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Greeting's Again Charles ...... Printed off and will do my best to have a look for you this week Re:- the Marriage of Ann & Joseph at a Register Office...... NO Records will be held of a marriage which took place in a Register Office at Wigston or for any Records Office in the UK you will always have to order the certificate through the usual channels. Ummm..??? :0/.....My Parish locater tells me that ' Sutton Benger ' Is in the County of WILTSHIRE It's just to the West of....... Swindon. and not Nottinghamshire. ...... MIKE. UPDATED. Just had a whiz round my disks but drew a blank I'm afraid No sign of them in 1861. & NO burial records found within Shepshed for any of them...... Other than Census returns for 1841. & 1851.:- 1841. Shepshed. Belton Street. Joseph Bentley. 20. Stocking Maker Ann. 20. Mary. 1. TWO doors down :- John Bentley. 75. Stocking Maker. Mary. 65. Ditto. Stated all Born within the County. 1851. Census. Shepshed. Belton Street. Joseph Bentley Head. Mar. 30. FWK. b Shepshed. Ann Wife. 34. Ditto. b Ditto. TWO doors down John Bentley. Head. Mar. 86. FWK. Born Shepshed. Leicestershire. Mary Wife. 65. born LONDON. MIDDLESEX. So it's looking good that Joseph might be the Son of John

Mike or anyone else who is going to the Leicester Records office in the next few weeks ... a favour if I may ask (and I will fully understand if you say no!!) I'm trying to confirm some info gleaned from IGI .... Joseph Bentley married Ann Kirk - 19th August 1839 in the Sheepshed Registry office. I have the marriage certificate so comfortable with that. This is the info I would like to confirm .... The same Joseph Bentley born 1819 in Sheepshed. Parents: John Bentley, 1775, Sheepshed & Mary Sennet, 1779, Sheepshed. The same Ann Kirk born 1815 in Sheepshed. Parents: Edward Kirk, 1781, Sheepshed and either Sarah Coulson or Sarah Clarkson, born in Sutton Benger, Notts (according to the census). Many thanks in advance.

Greeting’s Again. …… Carol. ( fellow night owl …lol ) So glad I was able to give you further information on your tree. Going on your last message here are the confirmation of Marriages ALL at St. Margaret’s Parish Church.:- Entry No.401, SEP 18, 1855, after Banns JOHN WARD, 21, Bachelor. FWK, of COWLEY St, Son. of JOHN WARD, FWK. ANN CLEAVER, 19, Spinster. of WHEAT St, Daughter. of JOHN CLEAVER, FWK Wits: ISAAC JARMAN, ELIZABETH JARMAN. Entry No.274, FEB 27, 1855, after Banns WILLIAM CLEAVER, 23, Bachelor. FWK, of WHEAT St, Son. of JOHN CLEAVER, FWK. ANN FLETCHER, 30, Widow. of RUSSELL SQUARE, Daughter. of WILLIAM BEASLEY, FWK. Wits: WILLIAM KIRBY, ELIZABETH GREAVES. Entry No.143, DEC 26, 1863, after Banns JOHN CLEAVER, 24, Widow. LABOURER, of CARLEY St, Son. of JOHN CLEAVER, FWK. MARY JANE FITCHETT, 24, Spinster. of CHURCH GATE, Daughter. of DAVID FITCHETT, FWK Wits: WILLIAM TURLINGTON, ELIZABETH WHITE. An other Worthy of note.:- Entry No.306, NOV 11, 1872, after Banns GEORGE WOOLERTON, 32, Bachelor. COACH BUILDER, of FRIDAY St, Son. of JOHN WOOLERTON, FARMER. FRANCES ELIZABETH CLEAVER, 25, Spinster. of FRIDAY St, Daughter. of WILLIAM CLEAVER, SHOE MAKER. Wits: WILLIAM CLEAVER, ALICE? BAILEY. Burial Details for John Cleaver ( 1800. ~ 1855. ) Welford Road Cemetery Leicester. Names. / Dates./ Ages. / Last know Address./ Parish. CLEAVER JOHN 13 MAR 1855 56 26 WHEAT STREET SAINT MARGARET C E 1068 C 2823 Other persons interned within same Plot :- CLEAVER CAROLINE 23 MAR 1858 6 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT MARGARET C E 1068 C 4576 CLEAVER CHARLOTTE 1 JUL 1858 8 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT GEORGE C E 1068 C 4782 CLEAVER EDWARD 25 FEB 1858 3 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT GEORGE C E 1068 C 4523 I’ve not found a marriage of John & Ann Cleaver in Hinckley ..yet. Off to have a peek at Foundry Lane now….. MIKE.xx UPDATED Just the two worthy of note No. 3 Foundry Lane. Mary WARD. Wid. 70. b Quorndon Leicestershire. No one else in household Next Street. = Painter Street. No. 21. James WARD. Head. Mar. 37. Iron Molder. b Leicester. Anne Wife. 24. Fancy Hand b South Croxton Leicestershire.

Mike, Thanks so much for the Fitchett info, I am trying to figure out if the Chesire double death is my Eliza-the year would be compatible,and I wonder if the Wards in the lane where Fitchetts were, are my John and Ann, or John's parents? Is it possible for you to take a peek? Regards, Carol in Ontario

Greeting’s Again Sarah. Transcribed details from 1871. Census Image. :- RG. 10. / 3270. / 114./ Pages 29.~30. 1871. Census. Leicester. St. Margaret’s Parish. No. 5. Beal Street. Richard Hincks. Head Mar. 28. Farm Bailiff b Humberstone Leicestershire. Fanny Ditto. Wife. 27. b Leicester. Mary. L. ditto. Dau. 5. b Thurnby Leicestershire. Ann Ditto. Dau. 4. b Ditto. Nellie Ditto. Dau. 2. b Leicester. Page 30. Richard Hincks. Son. 1 Month Old. b Leicester. MARY BARSBY. Servant. 14. Gen. Servant b. Birmingham. Catherine Pratt. Nurse. 58. Nurse b Monks Kirby. Warwickshire. MIKE.xx

THANKS MIKE FOR THE INFORMATION LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE FOUND HER MARY BARSBY IF YOU CAN FIND ANYMORE OUT ABOUT MARY BARSBY ID BE SO GREATFULL ESPECIALLY ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS IN SERVICE TO THE HINCKS AND WHERE THEY LIVED SARAH

Mike, Thank you for all your time and effort, and for the pm. I will now try and sort out the Fern branches -or perhaps I should say fronds.

*** F.A.O. *** Sarah Wragg. Birth Confirmation. Jun. ~ July. ~ Aug. Qrt. 1856. Mary BARSBY. ASTON. District. Cert. No. 6d. 265. Jan. ~ Feb. ~ Mar. Qrt. 1854. William BARSBY.( Seen on 1871.Census as Son of Henry & Harrieit Aged 17.) ASTON. District. Cert. No. 7d. 264. Apart from the 1861. Census were Mary is down as born OADBY. Other Censuses I’ve looked at 71,81,91,1901. Mary stated place of Birth as Aston / Birmingham. But only the 1881. does “ Deaf ” appear in end column. MARRIAGE. Apr.~ Mar.~ Jun. Qrt. 1873. Nathaniel CLARKE. BLABY. District. Cert. No. 7a. 113. Apr.~ Mar.~ Jun. Qrt. 1873. Mary BANBY. BLABY. District. Cert. No. 7a. 113. This checked out on THREE different recourses I have to hand. One of which you can see the Names of who were on the same page. So can only think it’s an mistranslation of Mary’s Surname ? MIKE. xx P.S. This Mary Barsby was in service to a...... ' HINCKS ' .... on the 1871..... Squeak....... Squeak. Reaches out for the jar of PROZAC..!!! ...:0((((

*** F.A.O *** ...Hilary. I THINK WE'RE THERE !!! ........ 1841. Census returns FERN. HO 107. / 197. / 7. / Page. 1......Keyword. Fern Derbyshire. Bonsall. Yeoman Street. Henry Fern. 40. Lab. Anne. 40. Frame Work Knitter. Hannah. 20 Ditto. Ann. 15. HENRY. 12. ALL Born within the County. BISHOP. HO107. 594./ 21. / Page. 1.......... Keyword Bishop. Leicestershire. Coleorton. Farm Town. ( Suburb of Coleorton) John Bishop. 40. Ag. Lab. Ann. 40. Hannah. 19 ( 19 on image but indexed as 10. ) Frances. 15. ANN. 10. Thomas. 7. John. 4. James. 3. ALL Born Within the County CHRISTENING'S Found. :- Henry Fern Born 13th. Jan. 1828. Christening 22 February. 1829. Bonsall Derbyshire. Father.:- Henry Fern. Mother :- Anne. Ann Bishop. Christened 19th. September. 1830. Coleorton. Leicestershire. Father.:- John Bishop. Mother :- Ann. MIKE.

Mike Thanks for those details, regret non appear to be mine, back to the drawing board re Samuel. Appreciate your time and effort. Regards Jon O'Kent

Hello Mike, and thank you for that information. I am hoping that you will be able to find the name and occupation of Henry Fern's father, so I will keep watching.

Thanks for looking Mike Elaine

Greeting’s Again Hilary…….. Sorry…… Seems I over looked your request For a Coleorton connection Re Fern ~ Ann Bishop Marriage. So..... To make a mends ......Using recourses to hand …….. MARRIAGE : - Oct.~ Nov.~ Dec. Quarter 1848. HENRY FEARN.~ ANN BISHOP. Ashby De la Zouch District. ( which covers Coleorton) Cert. No. XV. 7. This checked out for BOTH surnames. This is backed up by Coleorton Christening’s found :- FERN.:- ALL with Parents:- Father :- Henry Fern....... A Labourer Mother :- Ann. John Bishop Fern. 4th. May. 1851. Annie. 24th. April. 1859. Henry. 8th. Sept. 1861. Mark Ernest. 13th. September. 1863. Frederic. 8th. October. 1865. Herbert. 11th. August. 1867. Harold. 9th. Jan. 1870. Harold Buried 20th. January. 1891. Of The Paddock. Coleorton. Aged 21. OTHER BURIALS Found :- Henry Fern. 5th. June. 1891. Of The Paddock. Coleorton. Aged. 63. Ann Fern. 14th. May. 1902. Of The Hospital. Coleorton. Aged. 74. I will do a Parish Check at the Records Office next time To confirm details of the Marriage…and post results here. Seems from 1851. Census details Henry comes from Inglesby Derbyshire...... Once again……. Sorry. MIKE.

*** F.A.O. *** Jon O’ Kent………. RE Samuel TOMKINS. Sorry Mate….Trawled St. Margaret’s Parish Baptism Registers. May. 1825 through to February 1827. Only TOMKINS showing are as follows :- 18th. June. 1825. Elizabeth. Daughter of George & Mary. Belgrave-gate. Brick maker. 18th. June.1826 Charles. Son of John & Mary Wheat Street. Bricklayer. 23rd. August. 1826. Isaac. Son of James & Ann Charley Street. Bricklayer. MIKE..

Greeting’s Again Sarah…… RE :- YOUR CLARKE'S ( Woodhouse Leicestershire.) Parish Register Transcript Following my visit to the Records Office today. St Mary in the Elms. Parish Church. Woodhouse. Leicestershire . ANNO DOMINI. 1811. Second entry. Thomas Clarke. Bachelor. of this Parish. Ann Harrington. Spinster. of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me :- B. Rainsworth. Officiating Minister. On this Second day of September. One Thousand Eight Hundred and Eleven Thomas signed by own signature. Ann signed by her own Mark = X Wit's:- Thomas Foulds Snr. Thomas Foulds Jnr. Both appear to Father & son and Church Wardens has they have witnessed & signed several marriages. RE :-FRED HOWKINS. ~ ELIZABETH PICKERING…… MARRIAGE. The Village of Woodville comes under DERBYSHIRE Records Office . But I did check out Blackfordby marriage registers for 1900. But they did not marry in this Parish ….Sorry. Looks like you might have to order the marriage certificate of Fred to see who he did marry. ??? I ran out of time to look into other Clarke’s details so will have to wait until next week…..Sorry. Hope this is of help to you ? MIKE.

Hello Mike, I am wondering if you managed to find a marriage for a Fern to Ann Bishop in q4 1848, possibly in Coleorton. You said you might have to wait for the re-opening of the RO to look for this, so I might have missed your reply, although I have tried to keep track of the threads 10 and 11. My query was posted on 29 Sept on Part 10. Thank you Hilary

Greeting’s Again Elaine…….. Ding Dong……Those Wards !!!! Should have twigged it …:0/ Anyway..... Sorry I did not pick up your early morning message Left my house before that time You have to be early at Records office 9.15.am. These days to get reader. :0((( I had a look at the original registers for Welford Cemetery… But the only additional details given was they were All single internments within the Family Grave and the officiating Minster was a..... Bannaman. Taking the rough dates of birth from the burial details I trawled the Parish registers for their Baptisms…….. But could only find these :- St. Margaret’s Parish. 7th. April 1878. Elizabeth Daughter of Samuel & Frances Ward. EAST ROYAL STREET. Shoe Finisher. St. Margaret’s Parish Church. Page. 62. Entry 491. & 492. 1871. Sorry couldn't’ make out rest of date..... John Henry Son of John & Sarah Ward. Claire. Daughter of John & Sarah Ward. Caroline Street. John is a Shoe hand. Having said all that……. A point stated by a member of the Records Staff Was if they were buried in Unconsecrated Ground then it’s more than likely they were Non conformists there fore no Baptist record would be found……Cor cheers Mate !!!! ....:0(((( I'll have a look in more detail as to your last message I have still more details of my finds today to type up and post MIKE.xxx

hi mike can you check this out for me a mary barsby born aston (is this birmingham area) year 1856 born on 1861 census hills yard oadby leicester henry barsby head 32 ag lab harriet wife 28 sock stitcher thomas son 9 scholar MARY DAU 5 SCHOLAR BORN ASTON harriet dau 3 scholar john son 1 henry son 1 month all born in oadby except mary by 1871census henry and family youll find lived next door to nathaniel clarke and family wards yard oadby leicester mary was 14 by then and away from home in service ref rg10 piece 3232 fo 12 page 18 one othe thing i have her on 1881 census living on main street oadby with nathaniel and her children flora leonard walter and on the 1881 census it says she was deaf can you also look for her marriage 1873 june quater to confirm that this is the mary barsby im looking for once again may thanks for all your help

Hi Mike 1871 Census Living at 21 Harcourt Street, St Margarets, Leicester William Ward Head Age 26 Occupation elastic braid weaver Born Leicester Mary Ann Ward Wife Age Age 24 Occupation shoe machine hand Born Leicester Eliza A Ward Dau Age 4 Born Leicester This is them 1871 as some of the other children are with grandparents. Have had a contact that found out about the other 2 children, I knew Eliza died but hadn't realised there were 5 Wards in the grave, only knew about elder George and Ann. William remarries later and I still don't know when Mary Ann dies, George Isaac the elder is one of my fishmongers!!! that should ring a bell with you LOL Elaine

Seasonal Greeting’s Elaine …. o< :o))) Confirmation of Welford Road Cemetery Burial details given :- WARD AMINA LEONORA 2 APR 1879 6MTHS RAGLAN STREET SAINT MARY U F 12 F 42088 WARD GEORGE ISAAC 15 MAR 1871 3MTHS ROYAL EAST STREET SAINT MARGARET U F 12 F 25792 Others interned with above Not too sure about the George below. Although by date he would have been the 1st.in plot So would he would have been S = Single burial ? WARD ANN 23 JUN 1888 74 LEICESTER BOROUGH ASYLUM HUMBERSTONE U F 12 F 62096 WARD MARY ANN 2 MAR 1868 1 HAVELOCK STREET SAINT MARY U F 12 F 20002 WARD ELIZA ANN 25 MAY 1875 8 NAPIER STREET SAINT MARY U F 12 F 34211 WARD GEORGE ISAAC 3 DEC 1865 48 SLAWSON STREET SAINT GEORGE U F 12 S 16463 From the data I have of Welford Road Cemetery 1849.~ 1891. I can not match up a William & Mary Ann Ward in the same plot. I think I need to look at the Baptism Registers for the Parish Also Burial Records to see if Parents names are given. MIKE. P. S. Are we talking about William & Mary Ann Ward. Who are living No 1. Birstall Street with 9 children on the 1871. Census:- RG 10. / 3277. / 4. / Page. 1.