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Seasonal Greeting's ....Sue. 1 out of two.......... Christening :- St. Peter's Parish Church. Whetstone. 30th. September. 1719. Ann KENEY. Father:- Thomas. Mother:- Name NOT Given. NO Records found for the other one....... Time permitting I'll have a look this week through Parish Registers in Wigston. MIKE.xxxx

Hello Mike, Do you have the answer to these two questions please Parent's of Ann Kenney bn 30th Sep 1719 Whetstone Leics Parent's to Mary Burley bn 24th Apri 1757 Countesthorpe. Many thanks Happy Christmas to you............

hi mike yes the elizabeth pickering was born 1878 woodville mind my is not totally on this at the moment sorry thanks again for all your help

Greeting’s Again…… Sarah Wragg. Sorry for the delay in posting reply But I've been on Church Duties re Christ' ingle Service..... HOWKINS :- Potted History William ( c 1845 ) ? Closest :- Birth Registration GRO Index. Oct. Nov. Dec. Qrt 1843. William Howkins. Blaby District. Cert No. 15. 53. 1851. Census Returns :- HO 107. / 2081. / 324. / Page. 23. Within Village Littlethorpe. William Howkins. Head. Mar. 47. F.W.K. (Woolen) b Narborough. Ann. Wife. 49. Ditto. b Ulesthorpe. Leicestershire. David. Son. 22. Ditto. b Cosby. Leicestershire. John. Son. 10. Scholar. WILLIAM. Son. 7. Scholar. b Narborough. MARRIAGE found. William Howkins. ~ Ann Brown. Claybrooke Magna. 21st. May. 1823. By Banns. CHRISTENING’S :- Claybrooke. Ann Brown. born 8.th. April. 1801. Christened 4.th. May. 1801. Father:- John Mother.:- Mary. Narborough. William Howkins....( Williams Father ? ) 28th. Oct. 1803. Father:- William. Mother Dinah. Narborough. William Howkins. ( Williams Father Next generation back ? ) 10th. Oct. 1769. Father:- John. Mother:- Mary. Re:- Your Alice ( Wife.) b 1846. 1851. Census Returns ( Which I think I’ve given before ? ) RG 11. / 3129. / 36. / Page. 14. Narborough. William Howkins. Head. Mar. 36. F.W.K. (Stocking) b Littlethorpe. Alice. Wife. 35. Ditto. b Narborough. Henry. Son. 9.Scholar. b Ditto. Rose. Dau.7. Ditto b Ditto. Fred. Son. 5. Ditto. George Son. 3.Ditto b Ditto. Ernest. Son. 1. b Ditto. MARRIAGE Found :- June 1871. William Howkins. ~ Alice HUBBARD. Blaby District. Cert No. 7a. 95. Checked out both ways via GRO & Free BMD’s ALICE HUBBARD. Christening:- Alice Hubbard. 8th. March. 1845. Narborough. Father:- Thomas. Mother:- Ann. 1851. Census returns HO 107. 2081. / 334. / Page. 10~11. Narborough. Workhouse Yard. ANN Hubbard. HEAD. Mar. 28. F.W.K. ( Worstered) ALICE. Dau. 6. Stocking Seamier. Henry. Son.3. Scholar. PAGE 11. Louisa Howkins. Dau 3. Scholar ALL Born Narborough. NO sign of Thomas though NO deaths found for him ….Ummm. I’m a bit confused…….. You have quoted TWO Dates for your Elizabeth PICKERING b Woodville = DERBYSHIRE. Quote:- Added by Sarah Wragg on 06/12/2006 10:34:34 hi again mike found out that the name pickering was elizabeths maiden name born Woodville 1878.and And in your last message :- You have typed……. 1858. Has I have said Woodville Parish Records comes under Derbyshire Records Office But I’m willing to post a request for help on your behalf On an other Genealogy site I help out on BUT need the right Date for Elizabeth Pickering…….. MIKE.xx

FOR SARAH WRAGG Marriages Jun 1871 (100%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howkins William Blaby 7a 95 Hubbard Alice Blaby 7a 95 1871 census Name: Ann Hubbern Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Narborough, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Narborough Town: Narborough County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Alice Hubbern 26 Ann Hubbern 48 George Hubbern 12 William Hubbern 7 images reads Hubbard 1861 census Name: Alice Hubbard Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Narborough, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Narborough County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Alice Hubbard 16 Ann Hubbard 37 Emma Hubbard 9 George Hubbard 2 1851 census Name: Alice Hubbard Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Narborough, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Narborough County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Wigston ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Alice Hubbard 6 Ann Hubbard 28 Henry Hubbard 3 Louisa Hubbard 3 June x

FOR SARAH WRAGG 1881 census Name: William Howkins Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Littlethorpe, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Narborough County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Framework Knitter (Stocking) Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Howkins 35 Ernest Howkins 1 Fred Howkins 5 George Howkins 3 Harry Howkins 9 Rose Howkins 7 William Howkins 36 1871 census Name: William Howkins Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Narborough, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Cosby Town: Littlethorpe County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Ann Howkins 69 William Howkins 67 William Howkins 25 1861 census Name: William Howkins Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Narborough, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Cosby County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 67 Household Members: Name Age Ann Howkins 60 John Howkins 20 William Howkins 57 William Howkins 17 1851 census Name: William Howkins Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Narborough, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Narborough County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Wigston ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Ann Howkins 49 David Howkins 22 John Howkins 10 William Howkins 47 William Howkins 7 1841 census View Record Ann Howkins abt 1801 Leicestershire, England Narborough Leicestershire View Record Daml Howkins abt 1829 Leicestershire, England Narborough Leicestershire ( David ) View Record Henry Howkins abt 1826 Leicestershire, England Narborough Leicestershire View Record John Howkins abt 1840 Leicestershire, England Narborough Leicestershire View Record Ruth Howkins abt 1833 Leicestershire, England Narborough Leicestershire View Record Wm Howkins abt 1806 Leicestershire, England Narborough Leicestershire Name: Wm Howkins Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Narborough Hundred: Sparkenhoe County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/602/12 Registration district: Blaby Sub-registration district: Enderby ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 20 Page: 6 (click to see others on page) Line number: 13 GSU Number: 438749 Here you go June x

william howkins b 1845 littlethorpe alice wife b 1846 narborough leicester would like more info on them their parents if poss and any other info also info on the name pickering elizabeth b woodville part of ashby de la zouch born 1858 parents of her plz thanks

Seasonal Greeting’s…….. Sarah. ……. Quote “ What advice would you give me now to do on my tree?” Apart from a large jar of PROZAC …..lol :0)))) NO……….I think if you want to go back. Then you will have to trawl through Parish Registers looking for Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths & Wills etc Very time consuming…… And in the end…. Because of the popular Christian & Surnames you will not be certain for sure. Un lest the same Occupations and family 1st.names run through out. Sorry…..? I must have missed your ref to the Families:- Howkins & Pickering Can you refresh my memory again please ? MIKE. o<] 8-) >

THANKS MIKE what advice would you give me now to do on my tree. Has that lead come to an end as im quiet away back with my tree (1788) thanks with your help have you had any joy with the howkins name or pickering for me happy christmas sarah

Just to Wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Best Wishes Bev

Thanks again Mike!

Greeting’s Again Sarah Wragg…… Sorry to say……. That the further you go back in time The information becomes very BASIC…… I’m afraid But here are the results of visit to the Records Office today. All Saints Parish Church Narborough. BAPTISMS. ANNO DOMINI. 1788. 12th. Entry.:- Thomas Son of John & Elizabeth Clarke………………11th.May. That’s all you get …:0(((( Possible Sibling’s ? ANNO DOMINI 1790. 15th entry.:- William Son of John & Elizabeth Clarke……………….. 6th. Sept. ANNO DOMINI. 1796. 3rd. entry :- John Son of John & Elizabeth Clarke. …………………17th. Jan. But with a popular Christian & Surnames you can never be to sure ? MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Charles ….. Re Marriages. Shepshed. Leicestershire Page. 80. ENTRY No. 238 :- 16th. April. 1805.. EDWARD KIRK. Batchelor of this parish. SARAH CLARKSON. Spinster of this Parish. Following Banns by :- Charles Allsopp. Vicar. Edward signed by own signature Sarah by her own Mark = + Wit’s :- William Clarkson. By signature William Lester. By Signature. Page. 80. ENTRY No. 239. 19th. May. 1805.. EDWARD RAGG. Bachelor of this Parish. MARY COULSON. Spinster of this Parish. Following Banns by :- Charles Allsopp. Vicar. Both signed by their own Mark = X times two. Wit’s John Chantwell. By own Mark = + William Lester. By Signature. ( He could be a Church Warden signed several certificates.) The Jury is still out on your Bentley’s ,Sennet,& Kirk. But did spot a Baptism for :- Anno Domini 1787. ANN KIRK Ann daughter of Edward & Mary Kirk. 2nd July. Aged One. Search continues then…….. MIKE.

Greeting's Again..... Charles . If time permits this week at the Records Office I 'll have a look to see if that was the case. ? MIKE.

Awesome! Thanks for that Mike.

Greeting’s Again……. Charles. Using the resources I have to hand…….. I think I can clear up your hic-up..... Re:- Marriage :- Edward Kirk ~ Sarah Coulson / Clarkson……on the I.G.I. My resources ONLY have showing up :- Edward Kirk.~ Sarah CLARKSON. Married in Shepshed on that date. But note that there is a marriage of Edward WRAGG. ~. MARY COULSON. 19th MAY. 1805.Also in Shepshed. So I would think this marriage is the entry before your Marriage, in the Parish Registers. So who transcribed the data let their eyes slip Hence two entries for an Edward Kirk .... on the I.G.I. for ......16.04.1805..... MIKE.

Thanks for your help Mike. Your comment re: Sutton Benger is interesting. I got that one from the 1851 census. The 1841 census does not list a birthplace for her and the 1862 census lists Sheepshed as her birthplace. IGI is unclear on her maiden name. It is either Coulson or Clarkson. Again, according to IGI, the marriage took place on 16th April 1805. Just a couple of life's little mysteries. Also, your comment re: Mary Bentley is interesting. 1851 census lists her birthplace as Middlesex but 1841 lists it as Sheepshed. I must definitely pay a visit to Leicestershire, the records office and Shepshed. The more I dig into the family history the more the links to your county and Shepshed I seem to find.

thanks mike would like more info on thomas clarke b 1788 narborough leicester if had brothers and sisters and also more info on his parents john and elizabeth clarke pls sorry to keep asking as i cant get out much THANKS

Mike, Thank You so so much! They are all my relatives, and all show up except Eliza Fitchett and James Cleaver marriage (maybe they weren't married, just common law) that's a thought! I am happy to see William had a daughter, as I didn't know that Francis Cleaver was related-she was always popping up in my searches. I did boo-boo- It was John 1799 or 1800, Hinckley, and Ann Cleaver ( Jackson) 1812, Hinckley( I think) because there were FWK Jacksons there . I know they married app. 1830-1831, because William was born in 1832-1833. They were in Hinckley, because the parents were FWKnitters. We think John's parents were William and Elizabeth Cleaver, but haven't proved it yet. This is exciting, because my Leicester cousins don't research enough-no time-and most of them could care less, I am happy to have met you-must be fate, lol! Take care, Mike! Carol