Genealogy Chat

Mike Thanks for those details, regret non appear to be mine, back to the drawing board re Samuel. Appreciate your time and effort. Regards Jon O'Kent

*** F.A.O *** ...Hilary. I THINK WE'RE THERE !!! ........ 1841. Census returns FERN. HO 107. / 197. / 7. / Page. 1......Keyword. Fern Derbyshire. Bonsall. Yeoman Street. Henry Fern. 40. Lab. Anne. 40. Frame Work Knitter. Hannah. 20 Ditto. Ann. 15. HENRY. 12. ALL Born within the County. BISHOP. HO107. 594./ 21. / Page. 1.......... Keyword Bishop. Leicestershire. Coleorton. Farm Town. ( Suburb of Coleorton) John Bishop. 40. Ag. Lab. Ann. 40. Hannah. 19 ( 19 on image but indexed as 10. ) Frances. 15. ANN. 10. Thomas. 7. John. 4. James. 3. ALL Born Within the County CHRISTENING'S Found. :- Henry Fern Born 13th. Jan. 1828. Christening 22 February. 1829. Bonsall Derbyshire. Father.:- Henry Fern. Mother :- Anne. Ann Bishop. Christened 19th. September. 1830. Coleorton. Leicestershire. Father.:- John Bishop. Mother :- Ann. MIKE.

*** F.A.O. *** Sarah Wragg. Birth Confirmation. Jun. ~ July. ~ Aug. Qrt. 1856. Mary BARSBY. ASTON. District. Cert. No. 6d. 265. Jan. ~ Feb. ~ Mar. Qrt. 1854. William BARSBY.( Seen on 1871.Census as Son of Henry & Harrieit Aged 17.) ASTON. District. Cert. No. 7d. 264. Apart from the 1861. Census were Mary is down as born OADBY. Other Censuses I’ve looked at 71,81,91,1901. Mary stated place of Birth as Aston / Birmingham. But only the 1881. does “ Deaf ” appear in end column. MARRIAGE. Apr.~ Mar.~ Jun. Qrt. 1873. Nathaniel CLARKE. BLABY. District. Cert. No. 7a. 113. Apr.~ Mar.~ Jun. Qrt. 1873. Mary BANBY. BLABY. District. Cert. No. 7a. 113. This checked out on THREE different recourses I have to hand. One of which you can see the Names of who were on the same page. So can only think it’s an mistranslation of Mary’s Surname ? MIKE. xx P.S. This Mary Barsby was in service to a...... ' HINCKS ' .... on the 1871..... Squeak....... Squeak. Reaches out for the jar of PROZAC..!!! ...:0((((

Mike, Thank you for all your time and effort, and for the pm. I will now try and sort out the Fern branches -or perhaps I should say fronds.

THANKS MIKE FOR THE INFORMATION LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE FOUND HER MARY BARSBY IF YOU CAN FIND ANYMORE OUT ABOUT MARY BARSBY ID BE SO GREATFULL ESPECIALLY ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS IN SERVICE TO THE HINCKS AND WHERE THEY LIVED SARAH

Greeting’s Again Sarah. Transcribed details from 1871. Census Image. :- RG. 10. / 3270. / 114./ Pages 29.~30. 1871. Census. Leicester. St. Margaret’s Parish. No. 5. Beal Street. Richard Hincks. Head Mar. 28. Farm Bailiff b Humberstone Leicestershire. Fanny Ditto. Wife. 27. b Leicester. Mary. L. ditto. Dau. 5. b Thurnby Leicestershire. Ann Ditto. Dau. 4. b Ditto. Nellie Ditto. Dau. 2. b Leicester. Page 30. Richard Hincks. Son. 1 Month Old. b Leicester. MARY BARSBY. Servant. 14. Gen. Servant b. Birmingham. Catherine Pratt. Nurse. 58. Nurse b Monks Kirby. Warwickshire. MIKE.xx

Mike, Thanks so much for the Fitchett info, I am trying to figure out if the Chesire double death is my Eliza-the year would be compatible,and I wonder if the Wards in the lane where Fitchetts were, are my John and Ann, or John's parents? Is it possible for you to take a peek? Regards, Carol in Ontario

Greeting’s Again. …… Carol. ( fellow night owl …lol ) So glad I was able to give you further information on your tree. Going on your last message here are the confirmation of Marriages ALL at St. Margaret’s Parish Church.:- Entry No.401, SEP 18, 1855, after Banns JOHN WARD, 21, Bachelor. FWK, of COWLEY St, Son. of JOHN WARD, FWK. ANN CLEAVER, 19, Spinster. of WHEAT St, Daughter. of JOHN CLEAVER, FWK Wits: ISAAC JARMAN, ELIZABETH JARMAN. Entry No.274, FEB 27, 1855, after Banns WILLIAM CLEAVER, 23, Bachelor. FWK, of WHEAT St, Son. of JOHN CLEAVER, FWK. ANN FLETCHER, 30, Widow. of RUSSELL SQUARE, Daughter. of WILLIAM BEASLEY, FWK. Wits: WILLIAM KIRBY, ELIZABETH GREAVES. Entry No.143, DEC 26, 1863, after Banns JOHN CLEAVER, 24, Widow. LABOURER, of CARLEY St, Son. of JOHN CLEAVER, FWK. MARY JANE FITCHETT, 24, Spinster. of CHURCH GATE, Daughter. of DAVID FITCHETT, FWK Wits: WILLIAM TURLINGTON, ELIZABETH WHITE. An other Worthy of note.:- Entry No.306, NOV 11, 1872, after Banns GEORGE WOOLERTON, 32, Bachelor. COACH BUILDER, of FRIDAY St, Son. of JOHN WOOLERTON, FARMER. FRANCES ELIZABETH CLEAVER, 25, Spinster. of FRIDAY St, Daughter. of WILLIAM CLEAVER, SHOE MAKER. Wits: WILLIAM CLEAVER, ALICE? BAILEY. Burial Details for John Cleaver ( 1800. ~ 1855. ) Welford Road Cemetery Leicester. Names. / Dates./ Ages. / Last know Address./ Parish. CLEAVER JOHN 13 MAR 1855 56 26 WHEAT STREET SAINT MARGARET C E 1068 C 2823 Other persons interned within same Plot :- CLEAVER CAROLINE 23 MAR 1858 6 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT MARGARET C E 1068 C 4576 CLEAVER CHARLOTTE 1 JUL 1858 8 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT GEORGE C E 1068 C 4782 CLEAVER EDWARD 25 FEB 1858 3 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT GEORGE C E 1068 C 4523 I’ve not found a marriage of John & Ann Cleaver in Hinckley ..yet. Off to have a peek at Foundry Lane now….. MIKE.xx UPDATED Just the two worthy of note No. 3 Foundry Lane. Mary WARD. Wid. 70. b Quorndon Leicestershire. No one else in household Next Street. = Painter Street. No. 21. James WARD. Head. Mar. 37. Iron Molder. b Leicester. Anne Wife. 24. Fancy Hand b South Croxton Leicestershire.

Mike or anyone else who is going to the Leicester Records office in the next few weeks ... a favour if I may ask (and I will fully understand if you say no!!) I'm trying to confirm some info gleaned from IGI .... Joseph Bentley married Ann Kirk - 19th August 1839 in the Sheepshed Registry office. I have the marriage certificate so comfortable with that. This is the info I would like to confirm .... The same Joseph Bentley born 1819 in Sheepshed. Parents: John Bentley, 1775, Sheepshed & Mary Sennet, 1779, Sheepshed. The same Ann Kirk born 1815 in Sheepshed. Parents: Edward Kirk, 1781, Sheepshed and either Sarah Coulson or Sarah Clarkson, born in Sutton Benger, Notts (according to the census). Many thanks in advance.

Greeting's Again Charles ...... Printed off and will do my best to have a look for you this week Re:- the Marriage of Ann & Joseph at a Register Office...... NO Records will be held of a marriage which took place in a Register Office at Wigston or for any Records Office in the UK you will always have to order the certificate through the usual channels. Ummm..??? :0/.....My Parish locater tells me that ' Sutton Benger ' Is in the County of WILTSHIRE It's just to the West of....... Swindon. and not Nottinghamshire. ...... MIKE. UPDATED. Just had a whiz round my disks but drew a blank I'm afraid No sign of them in 1861. & NO burial records found within Shepshed for any of them...... Other than Census returns for 1841. & 1851.:- 1841. Shepshed. Belton Street. Joseph Bentley. 20. Stocking Maker Ann. 20. Mary. 1. TWO doors down :- John Bentley. 75. Stocking Maker. Mary. 65. Ditto. Stated all Born within the County. 1851. Census. Shepshed. Belton Street. Joseph Bentley Head. Mar. 30. FWK. b Shepshed. Ann Wife. 34. Ditto. b Ditto. TWO doors down John Bentley. Head. Mar. 86. FWK. Born Shepshed. Leicestershire. Mary Wife. 65. born LONDON. MIDDLESEX. So it's looking good that Joseph might be the Son of John

Mike, Thank You so so much! They are all my relatives, and all show up except Eliza Fitchett and James Cleaver marriage (maybe they weren't married, just common law) that's a thought! I am happy to see William had a daughter, as I didn't know that Francis Cleaver was related-she was always popping up in my searches. I did boo-boo- It was John 1799 or 1800, Hinckley, and Ann Cleaver ( Jackson) 1812, Hinckley( I think) because there were FWK Jacksons there . I know they married app. 1830-1831, because William was born in 1832-1833. They were in Hinckley, because the parents were FWKnitters. We think John's parents were William and Elizabeth Cleaver, but haven't proved it yet. This is exciting, because my Leicester cousins don't research enough-no time-and most of them could care less, I am happy to have met you-must be fate, lol! Take care, Mike! Carol

thanks mike would like more info on thomas clarke b 1788 narborough leicester if had brothers and sisters and also more info on his parents john and elizabeth clarke pls sorry to keep asking as i cant get out much THANKS

Thanks for your help Mike. Your comment re: Sutton Benger is interesting. I got that one from the 1851 census. The 1841 census does not list a birthplace for her and the 1862 census lists Sheepshed as her birthplace. IGI is unclear on her maiden name. It is either Coulson or Clarkson. Again, according to IGI, the marriage took place on 16th April 1805. Just a couple of life's little mysteries. Also, your comment re: Mary Bentley is interesting. 1851 census lists her birthplace as Middlesex but 1841 lists it as Sheepshed. I must definitely pay a visit to Leicestershire, the records office and Shepshed. The more I dig into the family history the more the links to your county and Shepshed I seem to find.

Greeting’s Again……. Charles. Using the resources I have to hand…….. I think I can clear up your hic-up..... Re:- Marriage :- Edward Kirk ~ Sarah Coulson / Clarkson……on the I.G.I. My resources ONLY have showing up :- Edward Kirk.~ Sarah CLARKSON. Married in Shepshed on that date. But note that there is a marriage of Edward WRAGG. ~. MARY COULSON. 19th MAY. 1805.Also in Shepshed. So I would think this marriage is the entry before your Marriage, in the Parish Registers. So who transcribed the data let their eyes slip Hence two entries for an Edward Kirk .... on the I.G.I. for ......16.04.1805..... MIKE.

Awesome! Thanks for that Mike.

Greeting's Again..... Charles . If time permits this week at the Records Office I 'll have a look to see if that was the case. ? MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Charles ….. Re Marriages. Shepshed. Leicestershire Page. 80. ENTRY No. 238 :- 16th. April. 1805.. EDWARD KIRK. Batchelor of this parish. SARAH CLARKSON. Spinster of this Parish. Following Banns by :- Charles Allsopp. Vicar. Edward signed by own signature Sarah by her own Mark = + Wit’s :- William Clarkson. By signature William Lester. By Signature. Page. 80. ENTRY No. 239. 19th. May. 1805.. EDWARD RAGG. Bachelor of this Parish. MARY COULSON. Spinster of this Parish. Following Banns by :- Charles Allsopp. Vicar. Both signed by their own Mark = X times two. Wit’s John Chantwell. By own Mark = + William Lester. By Signature. ( He could be a Church Warden signed several certificates.) The Jury is still out on your Bentley’s ,Sennet,& Kirk. But did spot a Baptism for :- Anno Domini 1787. ANN KIRK Ann daughter of Edward & Mary Kirk. 2nd July. Aged One. Search continues then…….. MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Sarah Wragg…… Sorry to say……. That the further you go back in time The information becomes very BASIC…… I’m afraid But here are the results of visit to the Records Office today. All Saints Parish Church Narborough. BAPTISMS. ANNO DOMINI. 1788. 12th. Entry.:- Thomas Son of John & Elizabeth Clarke………………11th.May. That’s all you get …:0(((( Possible Sibling’s ? ANNO DOMINI 1790. 15th entry.:- William Son of John & Elizabeth Clarke……………….. 6th. Sept. ANNO DOMINI. 1796. 3rd. entry :- John Son of John & Elizabeth Clarke. …………………17th. Jan. But with a popular Christian & Surnames you can never be to sure ? MIKE.

Thanks again Mike!

Just to Wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Best Wishes Bev