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Only one birth for Ivy so far: Mar 1903 Goddard Ivy Lilian Leicester 7a 320

Greeting’s Again Sarah…… Trawled G.R.O Index Birth Records. :- 1900. through to 1926. 1903. Jan. Feb. Apr. Qrt. IVY. LILIAN. GODDARD. Leicester. Cert No. 7a. 320. Same period. LILIAN. IVY. GODDARD. Blaby District Cert No. 7a. 30. It was not till 1911. that Mother’s Maiden name was given. 1914. Jul.~ Aug. ~ Sept. 1914. IVY. M. GODDARD. Market Harborough. Cert No. 7a. 19. Mother’s Maiden Name = WHITBREAD. MARRIAGES. :- Sept.Qrt. 1941. Frederick J.A. Burdett. ~ Ivy Goddard. MKT. Harborough District. Cert No. 7a. 42. BIRTH. July. Aug. Sept. Qrt. 1942. Florence A. Burdett. MKT. Harborough. Cert. No. 7a.12. Mother’s Maiden Name = Goddard. MIKE.

thanks mike i have fredrick j a burdett reg leicester june quater born 1921 mothers maiden name durham is it likely that ivy was born 7 years before him do you think market harborough is where florance burdett was born so it seems that the ivy goddard born 1914 is who my friend is looking for ???

Greeting’s again Sarah….. It might not be the Town of Market Harborough it’s self. I think it could well be the small Village “ Great Bowden”…. Just on the north east out skirts of Harborough which would be within the District of Market Harborough. Whilst trawling those Birth Records till the wee small hours this morning I checked out Great Bowden and there is a few Burdett’s living there on the 1901. Census returns……NO Burdetts in Harborough it's serlf Harry 36 & Kate 32. there is also an intering one...... ANN Burdett. 82. Widow born OLTON Warwickshire OLTON = sound alike to Horton ? Do you have the Marriage certificate of Frederick & Ivy ? It hopefully would have Ivy’s age on it & her Father’s name that way it might help us to identify her for certain. If it is the one I found then it would make her 27 in 1941 when she married Frederick MIKE.

hi mike sorry to ask again looking for my grandads side howkins his name horace howkins born march 1906 naraborough leicester mother elizabeth howkins b 1878 woodville leicester father fred howkins born 1876 narborough any information would help me plz

Greeting’s Again Sarah..... Sorry for my delay....Church Steward Duties to day... Hit & Miss I’m afraid..... Got Fred on 1901. Census with his wife Elizabeth Living on the Welford Road within the Parish of St. Mary Magdalene Knighton. Fred Aged 25. Bricklayer b Narborough Elizabeth aged 23. b Woodville ( Part of Ashby De la Zouch District.) Not found him on the 1891. Census…… yet But..... 1881. Census :- RG 11. / 3129. / 86. / Page. 14. Narborough. William Howkins. Head. Mar. 36. Stocking Frame Work Knitter b Littlethorpe Leicestershire. Alice Wife. 35. Ditto b Narborough. Leicestershire. Harvey. Son. 9. Scholar b Narborough. Rose. Dau. 7. Ditto b Ditto. FRED. Son. 5. Ditto b Narborough. George. Son. 3. b Ditto. Ernest. Son 1. b Ditto. Further Siblings to William & Alice found :- Christening’s Ethel Howkins. 6th. February 1887. Narborough. Father :- William. Mother. Alice. Also on the same day :- Sweny Howkins. 6th. February. 1887. Narborough. Father William. Mother:- Alice. Birth Record found for Fred Howkins:- Jan. ~ Feb. ~ Mar. Qrt. 1876. Fred Howkins. Blaby District ( which covers Narborough ) Cert. No. 7a. 51. Possible Marriage of Fred ? Sept Quarter 1900. Fred Howkins. ~ ??? Ashby De la Zouch District ( which would cover Woodville ) Cert No. 7a. 236. But when you see who else is on that page There are 3 Males but only 2 Females. …..Grrr…:0(((( Rebecca Alice Bakewell. Or Rosa Smart. Rosa Smart is 10 years old on the 1891. Census. ( Woodville) But living with Grand Mother Maria Smart age 68. born Ticknall Derbyshire. So no clues as to parents of Rosa there then ...:0(((( Not able to trace Rebecca Bakewell. …… yet. Birth found :- Jan. ~ Feb. ~ Mar. Qrt. 1906. Horace Pickering Howkins. Leicester. Cert No. 7a. 308. Taking the middle name of Horace = Pickering I see that there are two Elizabeth Pickering Marring Sept Qrt. 1900. In Ashby De La Zouch District Cert No. 7a. 235. ( next one to 7a. 236 for Fred ...ummmm ? ) and cert No. 7a 243. Let my look around for a few days and see what else I can come up with ? MIKE. UPDATED ....01.59. 1891. Census returns RG 11./ 2509. / 15. / Page. 20. Blackfordby. Burton Road. Willoughby Pickering. Head. Mar. 48. Clay Miner. B Blackfordby. Elizabeth Wife, 48. b Woodville. Willoughby Son. 22. Clay Miner. B Ditto. Joseph. Son. 20. Ditto. b Ditto. Arthur. Son. 18. Ditto b Ditto. ELIZABETH. Dau. 15. Scholar. b Ditto. John Son. 12.Ditto b Ditto. Mary. Dau. 10. Ditto b Ditto. Rose. Dau. 9. Ditto b Ditto. Jonathan. Son. 7. Ditto b Ditto.

THANKS AGAIN MIKE YOU HAVE THE FAMILY IN 1881 WITH WILLIAM HOWKINS AND ALICE WHERE MY GRANDAD HORACE GOT HIS MIDDLE NAME FROM I DONT KNOW DO YOU THINK IS WAS A SURNAME SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE BY WHAT YOU HAVE FOUND IL TRY AND FIND OUT ABOUT PICKERING NAME THANKS ONCE AGAIN YOUR A STAR

hi again mike found out that the name pickering was elizabeths maiden name born woodville 1878.and fred and elizabeth lived on landseer road which is off welford road.

Mike If you are at the Records office tomorrow, could you possibly look up these 2 entries Amina Leonora Ward d o buriel 2/4/1879 age 6 months Raglan St St Mary buriel no 42088 George Isacc d o buriel 15/3/1871 age 3 months Royal East St Leics St Margaret buriel no 25792 both buried in a grave of 5 Wards at Welford Road. To be honest I am more interested in their baptisms if you have anything on your discs to see if they are children of William Ward and Mary Ann Hope you are keeping well Elaine

hi mike thankyou loads for finding all this info not just for me but everyone on here can i ask what you do for a living are you a geneaolgist or is it just a hobby sarah

Seasonal Greeting’s Elaine …. o< :o))) Confirmation of Welford Road Cemetery Burial details given :- WARD AMINA LEONORA 2 APR 1879 6MTHS RAGLAN STREET SAINT MARY U F 12 F 42088 WARD GEORGE ISAAC 15 MAR 1871 3MTHS ROYAL EAST STREET SAINT MARGARET U F 12 F 25792 Others interned with above Not too sure about the George below. Although by date he would have been the 1st.in plot So would he would have been S = Single burial ? WARD ANN 23 JUN 1888 74 LEICESTER BOROUGH ASYLUM HUMBERSTONE U F 12 F 62096 WARD MARY ANN 2 MAR 1868 1 HAVELOCK STREET SAINT MARY U F 12 F 20002 WARD ELIZA ANN 25 MAY 1875 8 NAPIER STREET SAINT MARY U F 12 F 34211 WARD GEORGE ISAAC 3 DEC 1865 48 SLAWSON STREET SAINT GEORGE U F 12 S 16463 From the data I have of Welford Road Cemetery 1849.~ 1891. I can not match up a William & Mary Ann Ward in the same plot. I think I need to look at the Baptism Registers for the Parish Also Burial Records to see if Parents names are given. MIKE. P. S. Are we talking about William & Mary Ann Ward. Who are living No 1. Birstall Street with 9 children on the 1871. Census:- RG 10. / 3277. / 4. / Page. 1.

Hi Mike 1871 Census Living at 21 Harcourt Street, St Margarets, Leicester William Ward Head Age 26 Occupation elastic braid weaver Born Leicester Mary Ann Ward Wife Age Age 24 Occupation shoe machine hand Born Leicester Eliza A Ward Dau Age 4 Born Leicester This is them 1871 as some of the other children are with grandparents. Have had a contact that found out about the other 2 children, I knew Eliza died but hadn't realised there were 5 Wards in the grave, only knew about elder George and Ann. William remarries later and I still don't know when Mary Ann dies, George Isaac the elder is one of my fishmongers!!! that should ring a bell with you LOL Elaine

hi mike can you check this out for me a mary barsby born aston (is this birmingham area) year 1856 born on 1861 census hills yard oadby leicester henry barsby head 32 ag lab harriet wife 28 sock stitcher thomas son 9 scholar MARY DAU 5 SCHOLAR BORN ASTON harriet dau 3 scholar john son 1 henry son 1 month all born in oadby except mary by 1871census henry and family youll find lived next door to nathaniel clarke and family wards yard oadby leicester mary was 14 by then and away from home in service ref rg10 piece 3232 fo 12 page 18 one othe thing i have her on 1881 census living on main street oadby with nathaniel and her children flora leonard walter and on the 1881 census it says she was deaf can you also look for her marriage 1873 june quater to confirm that this is the mary barsby im looking for once again may thanks for all your help

Greeting’s Again Elaine…….. Ding Dong……Those Wards !!!! Should have twigged it …:0/ Anyway..... Sorry I did not pick up your early morning message Left my house before that time You have to be early at Records office 9.15.am. These days to get reader. :0((( I had a look at the original registers for Welford Cemetery… But the only additional details given was they were All single internments within the Family Grave and the officiating Minster was a..... Bannaman. Taking the rough dates of birth from the burial details I trawled the Parish registers for their Baptisms…….. But could only find these :- St. Margaret’s Parish. 7th. April 1878. Elizabeth Daughter of Samuel & Frances Ward. EAST ROYAL STREET. Shoe Finisher. St. Margaret’s Parish Church. Page. 62. Entry 491. & 492. 1871. Sorry couldn't’ make out rest of date..... John Henry Son of John & Sarah Ward. Claire. Daughter of John & Sarah Ward. Caroline Street. John is a Shoe hand. Having said all that……. A point stated by a member of the Records Staff Was if they were buried in Unconsecrated Ground then it’s more than likely they were Non conformists there fore no Baptist record would be found……Cor cheers Mate !!!! ....:0(((( I'll have a look in more detail as to your last message I have still more details of my finds today to type up and post MIKE.xxx

Hello Mike, I am wondering if you managed to find a marriage for a Fern to Ann Bishop in q4 1848, possibly in Coleorton. You said you might have to wait for the re-opening of the RO to look for this, so I might have missed your reply, although I have tried to keep track of the threads 10 and 11. My query was posted on 29 Sept on Part 10. Thank you Hilary

Greeting’s Again Sarah…… RE :- YOUR CLARKE'S ( Woodhouse Leicestershire.) Parish Register Transcript Following my visit to the Records Office today. St Mary in the Elms. Parish Church. Woodhouse. Leicestershire . ANNO DOMINI. 1811. Second entry. Thomas Clarke. Bachelor. of this Parish. Ann Harrington. Spinster. of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By me :- B. Rainsworth. Officiating Minister. On this Second day of September. One Thousand Eight Hundred and Eleven Thomas signed by own signature. Ann signed by her own Mark = X Wit's:- Thomas Foulds Snr. Thomas Foulds Jnr. Both appear to Father & son and Church Wardens has they have witnessed & signed several marriages. RE :-FRED HOWKINS. ~ ELIZABETH PICKERING…… MARRIAGE. The Village of Woodville comes under DERBYSHIRE Records Office . But I did check out Blackfordby marriage registers for 1900. But they did not marry in this Parish ….Sorry. Looks like you might have to order the marriage certificate of Fred to see who he did marry. ??? I ran out of time to look into other Clarke’s details so will have to wait until next week…..Sorry. Hope this is of help to you ? MIKE.

*** F.A.O. *** Jon O’ Kent………. RE Samuel TOMKINS. Sorry Mate….Trawled St. Margaret’s Parish Baptism Registers. May. 1825 through to February 1827. Only TOMKINS showing are as follows :- 18th. June. 1825. Elizabeth. Daughter of George & Mary. Belgrave-gate. Brick maker. 18th. June.1826 Charles. Son of John & Mary Wheat Street. Bricklayer. 23rd. August. 1826. Isaac. Son of James & Ann Charley Street. Bricklayer. MIKE..

Greeting’s Again Hilary…….. Sorry…… Seems I over looked your request For a Coleorton connection Re Fern ~ Ann Bishop Marriage. So..... To make a mends ......Using recourses to hand …….. MARRIAGE : - Oct.~ Nov.~ Dec. Quarter 1848. HENRY FEARN.~ ANN BISHOP. Ashby De la Zouch District. ( which covers Coleorton) Cert. No. XV. 7. This checked out for BOTH surnames. This is backed up by Coleorton Christening’s found :- FERN.:- ALL with Parents:- Father :- Henry Fern....... A Labourer Mother :- Ann. John Bishop Fern. 4th. May. 1851. Annie. 24th. April. 1859. Henry. 8th. Sept. 1861. Mark Ernest. 13th. September. 1863. Frederic. 8th. October. 1865. Herbert. 11th. August. 1867. Harold. 9th. Jan. 1870. Harold Buried 20th. January. 1891. Of The Paddock. Coleorton. Aged 21. OTHER BURIALS Found :- Henry Fern. 5th. June. 1891. Of The Paddock. Coleorton. Aged. 63. Ann Fern. 14th. May. 1902. Of The Hospital. Coleorton. Aged. 74. I will do a Parish Check at the Records Office next time To confirm details of the Marriage…and post results here. Seems from 1851. Census details Henry comes from Inglesby Derbyshire...... Once again……. Sorry. MIKE.

Thanks for looking Mike Elaine

Hello Mike, and thank you for that information. I am hoping that you will be able to find the name and occupation of Henry Fern's father, so I will keep watching.