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Welcome back………… Sylvia. BAPTISMS :~ Burton Lazars. St. James Parish Church. All with Parents Thomas & ALICE. Cooper. Sarah, Born 22nd, Sept. 1789.Baptised 23rd. Sept. 1789 William. Born 8th. Nov. 1791. Baptised 13th. Nov. 1791.. Eliza. Born 5th. Apr. 1793. Baptised 7th. Apr. 1793. John. Born 19th. Jun. 1795.Baptised 27th. Jun. 1796. Mary. Baptised 27th. May. 1797. Joseph. Baptised 14th. Jul. 1800. ANN COOPER. Born 4th. March. 1804. Baptised 5th. March. 1804. Here there is a Burial for Alice Cooper. 6th. Dec 1805. So does Thomas remarry to a Mary.? Although no Marriage found YET... BAPTISMS With Parents Thomas & Mary Cooper.. Ruth. 12th. July. 1812…Burial ? 28th. Sept. 1815. Aged 3. Ruth. 16th. April. 1816. And again. Ruth. 16th. Feb. 1817. Now this double Baptism is NOT rare……. 1st one could have been a Private Baptism because the Child was not expected to live. Second Baptism was for when the child was well enough & was excepted into the Church. And again Ann Cooper. Baptised 23rd. Oct.1817. Parents Thomas & Mary.. Ann Cooper Baptised 23rd. Nov. 1817. Parents Ditto. BURIALS for Burton Lazars. Names / Dates / Ages. COOPER Alice. 6 Dec. 1805 No age given. COOPER Ruth 28 Sep 1815 3 COOPER Thomas 16 Feb 1848 84 COOPER Ruth 20 May 1853 36 COOPER Mary 8 Feb 1860 78 The Thomas Burial could be Thomas’s Father ? Second Ruth matches her age from the 1851. Census. details which you have given. Hope this helps MIKE.

Hi Mike and Elaine Seem to have got a bit off track with my actual family but this looking up of stuff is addictive Looking at other censi for James Kendrick he is an Ag Lab in 1841 (listed as Hendrie on Ancestry) then farmer of 28 acres from 1861 to 1881. Doesn't look like they had any children. Don't quite know where the miner occupation came from in 1851. In 1891 Mary his widow is living with her sister Miriam and her husband George Wood - relationship determined from BMD - James Kendrick married Mary Burton and George Wood married Miriam Burton - Dec quarter 1846 Ashby de la Zouch So at least I now know that my original idea that Mary Kendrick was Ellen Deacon's sister is wrong !! Can't wait to see what Records Office search turns up Cheers Clare PS I have ordered George and Ellen's marriage certificate due to arrive on 23rd

Hi Mike Going back from my Goughs you so kindly found me last year, thank you for that. Now i need you help again please. John Gough married Sarah Ann Underwood in 1859 Sarah Anns parents were James Underwood and Ann Cooper . Now i`m trying to figure out if i have the right parents for Ann Cooper, A daughter of James and Ann, Fanny/Fanncy/Fanney c1840, is not with the family on the 1851 census, but i have found a Fanny Underwood (grandaughter) staying with a Mary Cooper c1781 and Ruth Cooper c1821 in 1851 Mary and Ruth Cooper are with a Thomas Cooper c1766 on the 1841 census. So were Thomas and Mary Cooper parents to Ann Underwood nee Cooper? Now the confusing bit, Ann`s birth dates, in 1841=1806 the image is very faint, 1851 shes 52 so 1799 and in 1861 shes 65 so 1796. Would you mind looking for a birth or christening for Ann Cooper to see who her parents were. oops nearly forgot Burton Lazaars Leicestershire, I hope you can understand that, thank you Sylvia

thanks for all your help and advice mike regards sarah

Greeting’s Again Clare & Elaine Umm....... To put another slant on the location of Normanton Leicestershire from off the 1851 Census. Image Returns. . . . Seeing his wife came from Swepstone. Got me thinking…….. ' Normanton Le Heath'....A Village close to Swepstone / Measham.. which was in the Mining district which matchs with James's occupation . ~ Coal Miner. Checked Parish listings for Normanton La Heath & got :~ BAPTISM. James Kendrick. 26th. March. 1815. Holy Trinity Parish Church. Normanton La Heath. Father :~ William Mother :~ Ann. MIKE.xx

Hello Clare No James so far but don't have alot on them, just William and Ann with 8 children 1841. Census. HO 107 / 601 / 11 / Page. 22. The Hundred of Sparkenhoe. Parish of Ibstock. Chapelry of Hugglescote & Donington. William Kendrick. 35. Ag.Lab. Ann. Wife. 40. Sarah Dau. 15. Thomas. Son. 10. Jane.Dau. 9. William. Son. 5. John. Son. 2. all born within the county Thomas,James, Sarah, Jane and Mary found IGI Batch Number: C059841 As much as I know so far and some of the family in Hugglescote 1851. Ann's maiden name is probabl Twigg. Elaine

Hi Elaine, The James Kendrick that my relative was visiting was born abt 1815 at Normanton according to 1851 census, Cheers Clare

Hi Clare I do actually have Kendrick's in my tree. Sarah Kendrick marries my George Moore 1843 at Hugglescote. From the little info I have, her father William was born c1802 in Normanton, mother Ann c1800 Ibstock. Am not too far from Bottesford too Elaine

Greeting’s Again. …. Sarah. I believe I have posted Hungarton Parish details of a Baptism John Barsby 1739 Plus several possibilities of Marriages…….including to Mary Chambers 1779. The only event now would be his death. . . . . But as to where & when this took place will be a very time consuming project. ( Indexed Researchable records did not begin until 1837 ) (I only allow myself ½ hour search for peoples request for look up’s. otherwise it would not be fair on all the other requests I receive from other genealogy sites ) Plus in the event of finding a Burial record for a John Barsby Then the details would be VERY basic due to the early years. e.g.:~ John Barsby buried …..Then Date NO ages given in the early years Unless it was an Infant. So in the end we will not be 100% sure it’s the right one ? Sorry for sounding anti helpful.. . . . But I feel we’ve exhausted all we can do on John Barsby for the time being. And who knows we might stumble across records as these are up dated when new ones come to light. MIKE.

hi mike thanks for the info sorry to have confused you but im after info on john barsby(junior)b 1739 hungerton and i know that he married a mary chambers in 1778 ash abby (ashby) but not sure which ashby i know of an ashby near donnington but not sure how far that is from hungerton or maybe there is a ashby near hungerton il look at the map and see at the moment i dont have time to go to the ro and look for john barsby b 1739 if aand when you go you couuld look for me that would be fantastic regards sarah

Greeting’s Again Clare…… Re;~ Varman. In the past I have found Pockets of Varman Families ( whilst helping someone else with that name ) within several Villages . . . . Coalville area in Leicestershire & Ryhall in Rutland…… Talking of which there was a Village called Normanton Which lies to the West of Ryhall on the Eastern shores of the Rutland Reservoir It’s Church was taken down brick by brick and rebuilt on a spur Which juts out into the Reservoir & houses a museum history of the Reservoir. But I take it the Normanton you stated is the one to the North of Bottesford ( Elaine’s neck of the woods ) Let’s see what comes up after the Records visit. MIKE.

Hi Mike and Beverley Thank you so much for the info and yes Mike anything else you can find from the Records Office will be gratefully received. Am going to send for the marriage cert asap. Don't know how I missed that one when I was looking through BMD's. It actually makes sense to be at Aston now as I found a George 'Ray' on 1841 census in Birmingham as a Policeman and my George Reay is listed as a Policeman in 1851 (later censi occupation changed to Buckle Tong Maker ) Am left wondering where Ellen's middle name of Varnam comes from - maybe her grandmother's maiden name ?? or the surname of her father ?? In 1851 George and Ellen's daughter Clara age 13 is visiting a James and Mary Kendrick - James was born Normanton, Leics and his wife Mary born abt 1820 at Swepstone - I am wondering if she may be Ellen's sister due to birthplace? Again many thanks for your hard work, Cheers Clare

Greeting’s Sarah. ……… Sorry ? But I thought you were asking about a William Barsby ? Re:- Your John Barsby born c1739 I think he is the Father to this John Barsby because of the Junior bit This John Barsby Junior married Mary Chambers 1779 Otherwise the 1st John would have been 50 when he married Mary Bit old ? :- see MY post below :- Added By Mike The Leicester Lad.... on 06/04/2007 20:40:02 | Update Message | Delete Message *** F.A.O. *** Sarah Wragg. Hungarton Parish Baptism Registers reads Thus :~ ANNO DOMINI. 1777. BAPTISMS. Harry Chambers/ Barsby. Baseborn Son of John Barsby ( Junior ) And Mary Chambers. July 10th. 1777. Thomas Clarke. Vicar. MIKE.

hi mike john barsby b 1739 hungerton leicester parents john barsby ann this is a birth iv found on igi and iv been looking for info on john barsby myself to see if there is a john born around the year 1739 ish but it always brings me back to the birth above so it seems john barsby b 1739 is the one i need but cant find anymore info on him regards sarah ps hope this makes sense on the marriage for john barsby 1778 its says ash abby what that means i dont know

*** F.A.O. *** Sarah Wragg. Your Quote :~ John Barsby married Mary chambers 2 march 1778 at Ashby Leicestershire Which Ashby is this then there are several Villages with Ashby in it's title within Leicestershire ? If William was a Witness to this marriage Seeing the dates ( before proper Census returns ) Then there is no way we can track him down..just yet Plus we have No birth years for him To even start looking.through Parish registers Need more info. Sorry…… MIKE.

*** F.A.O. ***...... Clare & Beverley That Marriage :~ Ellen Varnam Deacon marriage to a George Reay 19 Dec 1844 Aston Birmingham. Checks out via G.R.O. Site in both names. Oct. ~ Nov. ~ Dec. Qrt. 1844. Cert No. 16. 371. MIKE.xxx

Thank you Elaine

Here .....Tibbles ....... In true Cecil Fashion....... ' Pin back your lug holes......' Thursday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday. MIKE. xxx ....

The tearooms are calling but still have not been. What days are they open again? Bet your laughing Elaine

So we ate fish and had good hairstyles purrfect! I'm no wiser, we have a Bennett Wigley Ward who had a son Cecil Bennett Ward and the names were too much of a coincidence to not check out the marriage on St Margs. More searching now LOL Elaine